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moshkito
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Posted: March 21 2011 at 21:33 |
yeshu2k wrote:
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Go listenen to them, Moshkito, first then make your assumptions about Atavachron's assessment of Total B.S. |
I plan on it ... but was very disappointed that someone would talk about a band like that ... I mean ... let's get started on the merits of Lady Gaga from her being slightly undressed on, shall we?
See the point?
It's hard ... and a total turn off. I was not really trying to send that person off, but hopefully they can understand that the attitude was ... not a good one for a forum like this one. Maybe the alt.music.progressive along with all the other spam in there? ... see the difference, now?
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rematpac
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Posted: March 26 2011 at 18:42 |
There is no confusion about the definition of prog at all! Nothing could be easier to understand! It's very simple,why people try to make something confusing about it is beyond me?Prog rock is music that is about the music only.That's it.It's not about what's cool or in or out or what the people wear or what they look like or about the stage show or the lyrics or politics or ratings or sales or ANYTHING,except the music.The music is composed and played with one thing in mind-the music itself ,nothing else.The idea is to make music that is musically good and that is the ONLY consideration.The reason why it seems confusing is because music for music's sake is rare in the world of rock music.For most of rock music the more important things are what you look like,how old you are,what kind of clothes you wear,what your politics are,do masses of idiots like you for some reason,how many records do you sell,what are your politics,what do your lyrics say,who are they talking to,or what about,how do you act on stage or off,what do you say,how do you move on stage or off,are you something new,are you more of the same thing are you the "latest thing" and a 100 other things that aren't prog rock.Once again,prog rock is music for music's sake only,that's it.If there's any arguement then you're talking about something else.
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: March 27 2011 at 07:23 |
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Dean
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Posted: March 27 2011 at 10:14 |
rematpac wrote:
There is no confusion about the definition of prog at all! Nothing could be easier to understand! It's very simple,why people try to make something confusing about it is beyond me?Prog rock is music that is about the music only.That's it.It's not about what's cool or in or out or what the people wear or what they look like or about the stage show or the lyrics or politics or ratings or sales or ANYTHING,except the music.The music is composed and played with one thing in mind-the music itself ,nothing else.The idea is to make music that is musically good and that is the ONLY consideration.The reason why it seems confusing is because music for music's sake is rare in the world of rock music.For most of rock music the more important things are what you look like,how old you are,what kind of clothes you wear,what your politics are,do masses of idiots like you for some reason,how many records do you sell,what are your politics,what do your lyrics say,who are they talking to,or what about,how do you act on stage or off,what do you say,how do you move on stage or off,are you something new,are you more of the same thing are you the "latest thing" and a 100 other things that aren't prog rock.Once again,prog rock is music for music's sake only,that's it.If there's any arguement then you're talking about something else. |
That applies to any form of "serious" music, not just Prog and not just Rock. It is a characteristic of some prog, but it isn't a defining characteristic by any means.
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rematpac
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Posted: March 27 2011 at 10:23 |
Dean wrote:
rematpac wrote:
There is no confusion about the definition of prog at all! Nothing could be easier to understand! It's very simple,why people try to make something confusing about it is beyond me?Prog rock is music that is about the music only.That's it.It's not about what's cool or in or out or what the people wear or what they look like or about the stage show or the lyrics or politics or ratings or sales or ANYTHING,except the music.The music is composed and played with one thing in mind-the music itself ,nothing else.The idea is to make music that is musically good and that is the ONLY consideration.The reason why it seems confusing is because music for music's sake is rare in the world of rock music.For most of rock music the more important things are what you look like,how old you are,what kind of clothes you wear,what your politics are,do masses of idiots like you for some reason,how many records do you sell,what are your politics,what do your lyrics say,who are they talking to,or what about,how do you act on stage or off,what do you say,how do you move on stage or off,are you something new,are you more of the same thing are you the "latest thing" and a 100 other things that aren't prog rock.Once again,prog rock is music for music's sake only,that's it.If there's any arguement then you're talking about something else. |
That applies to any form of "serious" music, not just Prog and not just Rock. It is a characteristic of some prog, but it isn't a defining characteristic by any means. |
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Dean
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Posted: March 27 2011 at 10:24 |
you still have to type something when you quote...
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rematpac
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Posted: March 27 2011 at 10:31 |
It's SUPPOSED to be the definition,but in reality of course it's not.The prog rockers realize that it is their stage show or something else that's actually drawing people into their concerts.But in the long run,TIME will sort out the better music from the mediocre.Time is the only true test we have if music is really good or not because in the present,it's all just a matter of opinion.The better the music ,the longer it will be listened to.Some might be forgotten for a while for some reason like being overplayed,but if it's really good eventually it will always come back and to future generations even.
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rematpac
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Posted: March 27 2011 at 10:33 |
Dean wrote:
you still have to type something when you quote... |
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Dean
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Posted: March 27 2011 at 10:34 |
rematpac wrote:
It's SUPPOSED to be the definition,but in reality of course it's not.The prog rockers realize that it is their stage show or something else that's actually drawing people into their concerts.But in the long run,TIME will sort out the better music from the mediocre.Time is the only true test we have if music is really good or not because in the present,it's all just a matter of opinion.The better the music ,the longer it will be listened to.Some might be forgotten for a while for some reason like being overplayed,but if it's really good eventually it will always come back and to future generations even. |
Again, that covers many forms of music, not just Prog. That is not what "defines" Prog and seperates it from everyother kind of music.
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rematpac
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Posted: March 27 2011 at 10:36 |
Prog rock will be around for many decades yet.It will eventually travel all around the world just like English and American prog rock from the 70's is very popular in different countries in the world today.
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rematpac
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Posted: March 27 2011 at 10:41 |
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rematpac
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Posted: March 27 2011 at 10:44 |
Am I getting it any closer yet?
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rematpac
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Posted: March 27 2011 at 10:46 |
Dean wrote:
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rematpac
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Posted: March 27 2011 at 10:46 |
I give up!
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rematpac
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Posted: March 27 2011 at 10:49 |
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rematpac
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Posted: March 27 2011 at 10:51 |
What is your definition of the music I've been playing for the last 36 years?
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Dean
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Posted: March 27 2011 at 11:59 |
rematpac wrote:
What is your definition of the music I've been playing for the last 36 years? |
I have no idea. What have you been playing for the last 36 years?
I have listened to a broad spectrum of music my entire life (53.9863 years and counting) and played a narrower but still relatively wide range of styles for slightly less than that. Most of that I would call good music, music that was created for the sake of music or art or just to be lisened to and appreciated for what it is and not what it represesents or how it was presented - some of it would be called Prog, but even then not all Prog would fit into such a description.
If we are to talk about Prog Rock and universally understand what we mean by that then some assume that a concrete immutable definition is required, just as it is with any other form of music. We can define Blues by its scales, structure, style and chord progressions that will suffice for most Blues with minor variances and modifications. However, when you are discussing a form of music that deliberately sets out to break convention then any attempt at definition becomes an excercise in futility and what you are left with is a discussion about the simularities between various forms of Prog rather than what sets it apart. Your posts are of the latter form, characterising Prog by effect rather than cause.
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rematpac
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Posted: March 27 2011 at 12:34 |
Dean wrote:
rematpac wrote:
What is your definition of the music I've been playing for the last 36 years? |
I have no idea. What have you been playing for the last 36 years?
I have listened to a broad spectrum of music my entire life (53.9863 years and counting) and played a narrower but still relatively wide range of styles for slightly less than that. Most of that I would call good music, music that was created for the sake of music or art or just to be lisened to and appreciated for what it is and not what it represesents or how it was presented - some of it would be called Prog, but even then not all Prog would fit into such a description.
If we are to talk about Prog Rock and universally understand what we mean by that then some assume that a concrete immutable definition is required, just as it is with any other form of music. We can define Blues by its scales, structure, style and chord progressions that will suffice for most Blues with minor variances and modifications. However, when you are discussing a form of music that deliberately sets out to break convention then any attempt at definition becomes an excercise in futility and what you are left with is a discussion about the simularities between various forms of Prog rather than what sets it apart. Your posts are of the latter form, characterising Prog by effect rather than cause. |
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rematpac
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Posted: March 27 2011 at 12:36 |
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Posted: March 27 2011 at 12:39 |
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