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Posted: March 22 2011 at 04:27
clarkpegasus4001 wrote:
let prog reign wrote:
does anyone know a good amp to use for a epiphone les paul guitar for under 300$
What style of music are you playing? If it's jazz or a "clean" style then go for an OLD Roland cube amp or an old Yamaha 1X12. If it's rock and "filth" sounding there's plenty out there, try a Peavey Studio (tranny amp) or Laney 15 If you want an old valve amp you could try an old Wem there can be had very cheap. Good luck....
What if someone wants to play all sorts of styles? That's definitely the case for me - at the very least I want to have a modern shred sound, an ultra-clean sound, and a retro-sound. That's why I wouldn't be comfortable with a real amp, unless maybe for a pricey ultra-high end four channel amp.
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Posted: March 22 2011 at 13:27
Wow I'm suddenly doubting the musical credibility of progarchives. Are people seriously saying that these Line 6 modeling amps match the tone of a good quality tube amp? That is absolutely ridiculous. They sound so ****ing processed and like generic modern "hard rock" tones. Have fun matching the quality of my natural overdrive tone with one of those. A friend left one at my house a year ago and I've used them....their fine for practice I guess but the tone has no balls.
If you're a metal head they'll probably satisfy you, but the warm tones are non existent. All the gain channels have that incredibly artificial crunch to them. I'd rather buy a small tube amp that can't be loud enough to gig than a garbage sounding amp that can be loud enough. There's always PA's that can mic the smaller amp. I can't believe people want these amps that are going to give them all these tones, get an amp and make your own damn tone. If you want a "modern shred sound" almost any distortion pedal will give you that. I've had the same amp for six years and have never been playing music it didn't work for. There aren't amps geared towards everything.
Edited by himtroy - March 22 2011 at 13:32
Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell?
I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance.
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Posted: March 22 2011 at 13:34
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
clarkpegasus4001 wrote:
let prog reign wrote:
does anyone know a good amp to use for a epiphone les paul guitar for under 300$
What style of music are you playing? If it's jazz or a "clean" style then go for an OLD Roland cube amp or an old Yamaha 1X12. If it's rock and "filth" sounding there's plenty out there, try a Peavey Studio (tranny amp) or Laney 15 If you want an old valve amp you could try an old Wem there can be had very cheap. Good luck....
What if someone wants to play all sorts of styles? That's definitely the case for me - at the very least I want to have a modern shred sound, an ultra-clean sound, and a retro-sound. That's why I wouldn't be comfortable with a real amp, unless maybe for a pricey ultra-high end four channel amp.
If you get a smaller tube amp it'd have the clean tone, turning it up a lot will give you natural overdrive (the retro tone, unless you are thinking fuzz in which case, get a pedal later in time), and "modern shred"-if it has a gain channel turn the gain way up, otherwise distortion pedal. This way at least you won't progress past your low end amp and just need to buy another one in a few years. The generic shred tone is usually just boat loads of distortion with the bass and highs up and the mids cut.
EDIT: I realise this got out of hand, I simply despise that digital tone. It's obviously subjective, but one thing that is not is that you ARE NOT getting that good tube amp sound with one of those things. Theres a reason why companies and musicians have kept up with tube amps despite how inconvenient and expensive they are compared to solid state/modeling amps. It's not that a majority of the world is nostalgic. Really guys, it's stuff like these pre set tones that are making everybody sound the exact same anymore. Look at our prog heroes of this site, Fripps tone to Zappas, then look at a side by side comparison of many modern tones....its embarrassing...they have less originality than all those 60's pop groups.
Edited by himtroy - March 22 2011 at 13:56
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Posted: March 22 2011 at 14:21
^ Who said that I'm using pre set tones? And I haven't used Line6 technology in years.
I'm currently using Guitar Rig 4 by Native Instruments, and it sounds great - that's all I can say. And I've been using real amps for a long time.
BTW: I'm not a professional musician, and I agree that many will still use real amps. Some, however, are not, and since digital technology keeps getting better and better, that number will increase.
Here's an old demo that I recorded years ago - not even with Guitar Rig 4, but with Line 6 POD Farm:
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Posted: March 22 2011 at 19:07
himtroy wrote:
Wow I'm suddenly doubting the musical credibility of progarchives. Are people seriously saying that these Line 6 modeling amps match the tone of a good quality tube amp? That is absolutely ridiculous. They sound so ****ing processed and like generic modern "hard rock" tones. Have fun matching the quality of my natural overdrive tone with one of those. A friend left one at my house a year ago and I've used them....their fine for practice I guess but the tone has no balls.
If you're a metal head they'll probably satisfy you, but the warm tones are non existent. All the gain channels have that incredibly artificial crunch to them. I'd rather buy a small tube amp that can't be loud enough to gig than a garbage sounding amp that can be loud enough. There's always PA's that can mic the smaller amp. I can't believe people want these amps that are going to give them all these tones, get an amp and make your own damn tone. If you want a "modern shred sound" almost any distortion pedal will give you that. I've had the same amp for six years and have never been playing music it didn't work for. There aren't amps geared towards everything.
Which is more or less what I said (not in so many words, though). Musicians nowadays don't seem to understand the concept of personality via tone
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Posted: March 23 2011 at 07:33
It's kind of funny, my gear currently includes an amp that simulates other amps, an electric guitar effects box that has amp simulations, and a sequencer that has amp simulations.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: March 23 2011 at 15:35
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^ My previous question still stands: How is a Marshall amp more personal than a Line6 amp?
I don't care for the specific choice of the Marshall, but I have a feeling this could be any amp... So really the point people are making is that on that amp you can dial in the tones and be much more specific. Whereas the Marshall patches on these modeling amps just seem to have a generalized Marshall overdriven tone where you can not tweek the sound very much. Basically it's the same thing as a stomp box with many effects versus individual pedals, you're sacrificing quality for quantity. People end up with much more PERSONAL and individual tones when they're trying to get their favorite tone out of their amp much more so than when they cycle through a bunch of settings.
Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell?
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Posted: March 23 2011 at 15:36
Triceratopsoil wrote:
himtroy wrote:
Wow I'm suddenly doubting the musical credibility of progarchives. Are people seriously saying that these Line 6 modeling amps match the tone of a good quality tube amp? That is absolutely ridiculous. They sound so ****ing processed and like generic modern "hard rock" tones. Have fun matching the quality of my natural overdrive tone with one of those. A friend left one at my house a year ago and I've used them....their fine for practice I guess but the tone has no balls.
If you're a metal head they'll probably satisfy you, but the warm tones are non existent. All the gain channels have that incredibly artificial crunch to them. I'd rather buy a small tube amp that can't be loud enough to gig than a garbage sounding amp that can be loud enough. There's always PA's that can mic the smaller amp. I can't believe people want these amps that are going to give them all these tones, get an amp and make your own damn tone. If you want a "modern shred sound" almost any distortion pedal will give you that. I've had the same amp for six years and have never been playing music it didn't work for. There aren't amps geared towards everything.
Which is more or less what I said (not in so many words, though). Musicians nowadays don't seem to understand the concept of personality via tone
It was late....one of those ranting "moods".
Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell?
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Posted: March 24 2011 at 02:05
himtroy wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^ My previous question still stands: How is a Marshall amp more personal than a Line6 amp?
I don't care for the specific choice of the Marshall, but I have a feeling this could be any amp... So really the point people are making is that on that amp you can dial in the tones and be much more specific. Whereas the Marshall patches on these modeling amps just seem to have a generalized Marshall overdriven tone where you can not tweek the sound very much. Basically it's the same thing as a stomp box with many effects versus individual pedals, you're sacrificing quality for quantity. People end up with much more PERSONAL and individual tones when they're trying to get their favorite tone out of their amp much more so than when they cycle through a bunch of settings.
That's nonsense and IMO only goes to show that you've never seriously tried out modelling amps - if anything, they're about tweaking the sound *much* more than you could with any physical amp.
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Posted: March 24 2011 at 19:56
I understand wanting a "signature tone" but for a starting guitarist who dosent have a signature playing style even having a signature tone is moving a bit to fast. Starting guitarists want to sound like (insert name here) and play their favorite songs like they hear them on record and Line 6 provides that opportunity as well as tinker and find their own sound and style that can then later be transferred to regular amps later.
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Posted: March 24 2011 at 20:12
Triceratopsoil wrote:
It doesn't even have anything to do with signature tone
What is it about?
Line 6 amps allow people to play their favorite songs the way they sound on CD and thats what alot of people want.
I don't even use my electric guitar because it makes me lazy I stick with my acoustic, it forces me to be truely creative and not just plug in a different petal or crank a distortion knob. That sayed, when I want to learn another Yes song im going to plug in to my Line 6 and hit Yes because its fun to sound like your heroes.
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Posted: March 25 2011 at 02:22
^ I don't agree with this notion that using an amp or an electric guitar is less creative. By this line of reasoning pianists should automatically be more creative than keyboardists because they have less sounds at their disposal.
Sure, effects overkill can be a bad thing - but not using effects at all out of fear that it might affect your creativity might be as bad.
He starts with a very dry sound (just the amp) and then works towards the end result - which is interesting, because Eric Johnson is known as both a purist and perfectionist when it comes to his guitar sound. Newbies might be surprised as to how much tweaking is necessary to produce his tone.
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Posted: March 25 2011 at 17:04
^^^^
I did not mean to say that it is not creative to use an electric guitar, just that personally I find that MY playing is more creative when I use an acoustic than an electric.
Also I was making the point that any guitarist can be equally good and the equipment is not important. If one chooses digital then great if one does not then great as well. Obviously you are verry happy with your digital amp and it seems like a great tool that suits your style. Why would anyone say this makes you worse?
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Posted: March 26 2011 at 03:32
^ I don't know - you tell me. Two posts earlier you said that modelling amps (Line 6) are good as a starting point, but kind of obviously you move to "regular" amps later.
My position is that today modelling amps are pretty much equal in terms of sound quality, and clearly superior when it comes to how much you can tweak the tone. Sure, there may be some real amps out there which - for a really hefty price tag - may offer a particular tone that seems even better, but good luck getting that on tape, or to the PA when you're performing live. Those are additional points in favor of modelling - you get persistent and readily reproducable results. Plus you don't have to carry heavy equipment around when you want to practice with a band or perform live. Plus the technology is quite affordable - for the price of a really good tube amp (the kind that keeps getting compared to modelling amps) you could buy 8-10 POD HDs. The obvious advice for any performing artist is to get two and set one of them up at home (next to your computer, which you can then also easily use to record) and the other where your band is practicing. Now if you also have a laptop you could use it to transfer sounds.
None of that is convenient (or, with the two amps scenario, affordable) with a "regular" amp, and for the suggested price tag ($300) it wouldn't even sound as good as a modelling solution (e.g. POD HD).
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