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Mr ProgFreak ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
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Why would Sennheiser ship the headphones with cables that clearly sound HORRIBLE? I find that hard to believe.
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oliverstoned ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 26 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6308 |
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You'd need a real dedicated AC-powered home amp to feed him properly. But to choose, i prefer the more-neutral and extremely musical HD600 (over the 650) as home HP. |
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oliverstoned ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 26 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6308 |
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Depending on the precise HD 25 model, the headphone comes with a silver OR a cooper stock cable. The silver cable sounds HORRIBLE and you don't have to believe in cables to hear the difference. |
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Jörgemeister ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 10 2008 Location: Nauticus Status: Offline Points: 2296 |
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you should see the discussiona at headfi, people there go apesh*t about how the cable changes the sound. hell i have seen threads of guys who bought 99% pure silver cable for 4000$ to recable 1 headphone!
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Jörgemeister ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 10 2008 Location: Nauticus Status: Offline Points: 2296 |
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I use the stock cable, and i dont really believe that the cable would make so much difference, unless is a very crappy cable and a good one ![]() as for grados at least the one i have, they are pretty easy to drive, sounds good even from my player directly. Now the AKG K601... a whole different story, my humble desktop amp cant handle it well, the k601 suppose to have great potential but i am yet to find out. I am working on moding my SR80i but that is a looooong term project, forst i have to decide what I want and start.
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Mr ProgFreak ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
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Arguments based on real physics ... those don't really fly in audiophile discussions.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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...so what's the advantage of using a wire that is a poorer conductor than copper?
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What?
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oliverstoned ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 26 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6308 |
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Hi, Nice! I think that Grado needs a powerful home-amp to work fully. What cable do you use on your HD25? Stock cable? Cooper or steel? |
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Jörgemeister ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 10 2008 Location: Nauticus Status: Offline Points: 2296 |
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Zune120 + mini3 + Senn HD25 mostly.
But have been using Alessandro MS1 latelly, what a superb headphones, i certainly prefer it over the SR80i The HD25 is king in the portables indeed.
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oliverstoned ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 26 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6308 |
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Hi, sorry i missed your post. There are both excellent and well built.
In term of sound, they both feature a terrific midrange but the Mustang P51 is more neutral so eventually my heart goes to the Mustang. And the Mustang is also aivalable in several colors. Edited by oliverstoned - March 10 2011 at 08:42 |
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The Wrinkler ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 03 2009 Status: Offline Points: 638 |
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Oliver,
so how does the pico compare to the mustang? I know the pico's come in all sorts of colors too, which should be fun, but whats good quality for the money? Need something to make those Krautrock songs shine through my Grado SR80 ![]() |
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The Wrinkler ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 03 2009 Status: Offline Points: 638 |
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I have those Klipsch S4, they are really good, but I upgraded to the Panasonic HJE900, I think for a little more you couldv'e bought the pannies instead of the Klipsch. I love the S4 because of the comfort, you hardly feel them in your ears. Have fun with them, I did ![]() |
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oliverstoned ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 26 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6308 |
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I'd say RSA Mustang P51 or Headamp Pico. There are currently among the best and are very small! ![]() ![]() |
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The Wrinkler ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 03 2009 Status: Offline Points: 638 |
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Oliver, nice setup man! I was wondering how you feel about your amps? Any recommendations on some amps? I'm looking for something portable, but still strong. Maybe around the $300 mark, because I know they don't come cheap. I've also been looking into buying the Sennheiser HD25, but changed my mind for the AIAIAI TMA-1.
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oliverstoned ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 26 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 6308 |
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I do agree that in ear HP work as long as you are not disturbed by the potential discomfort.
I had the Etymotic research ER4P (good brand), at the time i was driving it with a good RSA Hornet amp: it has great highs (musical and detailed), but even tightly sealed, it was cruely lacking lows. And when you lack low, you lack dynamic and "image" (soundstage, "3D effect") But i know some other in-ear do low but often on more expensive models. I tried many HP for portable use until the end of my quest: Senn HD25 ![]() It has the following qualities: - Affordable price: 150€ - Sturdy design, very important for portable use and durability. - Good efficiency, making it possible for use without amp if the source is powerful enough and making it greatly enhanced by good portable amp. - Musically, it's neutral ( a great quality because mots HPs, especially affordable ones suffer from a more or less colored sound which "eats" some of your music) and musical (but it's downgraded by the nasty steel cable provided with some versions, replace it by the cooper cable provided with the Senn 6XX), it's almost like a smaller version of the 600, all musical proportions kept. I've been to a shop with my full system and compare it to several HPs of the same price league : some Grados (sound colored and muffled besides but would need a AC powered home amp ), the Denon denon AHD 2000 (disapointed by light lows and lack of neutrality) and few others. I couldn't find better. - Excellent isolation without any "active" system downgrading the sound. ![]() - It's comfortable an holds well on the head. (BTW it's important to precise that on this kind of earpad/fullsize HPs, the HP's arch must be placed slightly in front of the head and not behind like most youngsters do. It makes the earpads tightly sealed on the ears and make a huge difference in term of lows and so on dynamic, image, etc...same principle than with in-ear HP). It's also much easier to remove than a tighly sealed in-ear with which you may feel "prisoner" because once it's inserted in your ear-canal, it's complicated to remove. -The HP cable is replacable, option that you don't find on many HP. Moreover, many cable manufacturers designed custom cables for HD6XX versions such as Cardas, ALO Audio, Stefanaudio, Moon audio and many others. "Headroom review: Sennheiser HD 25-1-II A legend in studio recording and pro audio circles, the HD25-1-II is Sennheiser's best sealed headphone offering solid isolation and a clean, full tone. The unique headband found on this closed-back 'on-ear' can is perfect for active listening since the design splits to form a 'hat-like' brim in front & in back of the head, providing an extremely stable, comfortable fit. Producers and DJs need the swiveling on-ear cushions which rotate away for one-ear mono mixing. Sound quality is absolutely terrific with powerful impact, solid bass, and clear musical detail resolution." Specs: Sensitivity: 120 dB/V Manufacturer Warranty: 2 Years Warranty: 2 Years Cord Length: 4.5 ft. Microphone: No Detachable Cable: Yes Weight: 140 g. Connector Type: 1/8" with 1/4" adaptor Driver Type: Dynamic Cord Type: Straight Right-Side Coupler Size: Medium Isolation: -10dB Ear Coupler Type: Earpad Impedance @ 1kHz: 70 Wireless: No Headphone Type: Earpad Noise Cancelling: No Acoustic Seal: Closed IMO, a good portable system is a great luxury (that doesn't replace a good home setup) for outdoor listening (i enjoy it a lot in the summer sitting in the garden or while gardening) and great for holidays making it a decent musical source when you're far away from your system and your precious records. ![]() Edited by oliverstoned - February 25 2011 at 06:48 |
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Mr ProgFreak ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
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@Oliver: I agree that in-ear headphones can be uncomfortable for some people, especially when used over several hours. Fortunately that's not an issue for me, since I only ever use them for 1-2 hours at a time, which I think is the most common use case. But even with longer use, there's a chance that you will get used to them ... I did, and I didn't like them at all at first.
About the output limitation: Especially in that light it makes sense to go for small speakers - or bluetooth headphones which, because they have their own built-in amp, circumvent the issue. They may still have output limitations built in, but at least in that case they're matched with speaker impedance - so the output limitation may actually do its intended job (prevent you from killing your ears).
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17966 |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Only me
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17966 |
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^ Does anybody have a clue about anything in the world today??
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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^ not that I can find, but the zune forums appear to be populated by people who don't have a clue about anything.
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