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JJLehto 
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 Posted: February 23 2011 at 17:29 |
Agreed Sleeper. I know Tilke has taken a lot of flak, but I have to admit I really like some of his tracks. Some, however, are terrible. I HATE that Abu Dhabi track. So much. The worst by far, I agree that it wouldn't be missed at all! Also I'm a bit peeved about the number of street circuits that have come up. I LOVE street circuits but I don't want too many, kind of kills it IMO. I would like to keep it at 2 or 3 at most. Oh and James, as you said he's young. And maybe it's an American thing but I am quite used to judging athletes on skill and not personality. In fact you have to ignore that part mostly. Maybe because so many here are just terrible people  In terms of skill I think Vettel is quite up there, and has shown it from the start.
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Posted: February 23 2011 at 18:32 |
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I don't know. Put Vettel in a worse car and how well would he do?
Put Chandok in a RBR and how well would he do? Maybe not as well as Vettel but I suspect he'd be top-5.
It'll be interesting to see how Schumacher does this year. Is the Mercedes better?
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Posted: February 24 2011 at 01:11 |
Wutevs man, I'm letting it go because I don't care for a debate right now. Also I assume you know that what you said can be said of most drivers. Can only drive outside your cars ability so much, regardless of talent. Exceptions being Schumi, Senna and probably a few others that were just inhuman. Speaking of Schumi that should be interesting. Again we get no F1 news here so I havn't a clue if the car is any better. But I have to assume he'll at least have a better season now that he's back in the groove. See if he can get some podiums and even any wins. Highly doubtful he's any threat for the title.
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Posted: February 24 2011 at 01:39 |
Senna wasn't that kind of inhumanly good competitor like we've seen recently in several sports (like Schumacher or Federer especially), and that's why I liked him so much. He even lost to Nigel Mansel, and that will remain my favourite F1 season ever! 
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Posted: February 24 2011 at 02:29 |
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Perhaps not, but still one the greatest drivers. Especially with what he did on street circuits and wet conditions.
Oh and credit to Mansel man. He may have been the least of the "Big 4" of that decade but was still a fine driver!
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Posted: February 24 2011 at 09:09 |
Senna came to prominence in a time when there where 3 other superstar drivers to contend with (Mansel, Piquet and Prost). When Mansel moved to IndyCar in 93, Senna actually warned Fittipaldi to watch out for his extreme levels of car controle. Schumacher had the misfortune that in his best years came when only Hakkinen was a credible threat (Viellneuve and Hill might have been very good drivers, but neither could be listed amongst the all time greats) to his position of F1's best driver. When Kimi and Alonso began to come into their own, I think Schumi may already have been past his best. I think we currently have the strongest grid ever assembled at least since the mid 80's, with Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel, Button, Schumacher, Webber, Massa, Rosberg, Kubica (when he gets back) all top line drivers, and only when you get to HRT are there any question marks over whether the drivers belong in F1.
As for Mercedes, their car looks much better than last years, as does Renaults, but not as good as the Ferrari and Red Bull from testing. Lots of question marks on the new McLaren though. Its very radicul and the exhaust design seems to be giving them a lot of reliability problems.
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Posted: February 25 2011 at 14:57 |
No doubt, this current field is great. Part of the reason there's been so many great years. Awesome field packed with young talent. And agreed about Schumi. Talent is undeniable but he always had a one sided team (Rubino was probably his closest challenge from a teammate!) and he never did have another great driver to challenge him. Only Mika could go head to head with him and win. Maybe Kimi or Alonso but he was a bit older then. Rosberg has shown some great improvement the last 2 seasons. I had to think about that for a sec since I'm used to him sucking
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Posted: February 25 2011 at 22:04 |
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I think Rosberg looks better because Schumacher has declined in ability. He has improved though.
My mate who's a big F1 fan is curious as to why McLaren quite openly displayed their new car. He thinks their new and innovative front wing may have been a fake. Why would they just show it openly if it's a unique design?
Teams usually like to keep their innovations more hidden pre-season.
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 06:58 |
 James wrote:
I think Rosberg looks better because Schumacher has declined in ability. He has improved though.
My mate who's a big F1 fan is curious as to why McLaren quite openly displayed their new car. He thinks their new and innovative front wing may have been a fake. Why would they just show it openly if it's a unique design?
Teams usually like to keep their innovations more hidden pre-season.
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I loled at this post quite a bit, so here comes a sermon. 
First off, the front wing that McLaren have run so far this year is almost identical to the one they ran at the end of 2010, I think it might even be the 2010 wing the changes are so small in detail. Second, the radical sidepod design of the McLaren is not something that can just be hidden because of the packaging (radiator, exhaust, electronics, KERS, fuel tank) and crash test requirments involved. Also, the exhaust on the launch car were fake, something the team where happy to tell everyone, and even now, the design and placement of the exhaust makes it very difficult to see the detail of what they've done, though this is more by accident than design. It should also be pointed out that McLaren opted for a late launch of their car deliberatly to stop people getting a look at everything. Last year everybody knew about the F duct by the end of the first day of testing and began working on their own, something that annoyed McLaren quite a bit as they were hopping it was going to be their ace in the hole.
McLarens car is such a big depparture from the last years that they need to get it out on track in testing as much as possible to make sure its all working. Reports are that the exhaust problem is causing a lot of reliability problems (its blowing hot gasses onto an area of body work that doesnt get much airflow and they're getting a lot of heat problems) and the car seems to be very difficult to set up and balance. Of course, we've got one test left and every team is going to be putting on their big update pakage, which to some extent wil make what we've all learned from testing so far redundant.
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 08:35 |
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That's fair enough, Andy.
As I said, it's not my own thoughts. I couldn't care less what McLaren do, as I'm not their No. 1 fan.
He may have been referring to the exhausts but I'm sure it was the front wing. I must say, I had a look at photographs from last year and of the new car this year and the wings do look very similar.
One of the constructors has a car that looks like an enlarged Formula 3 car. It looks weird!
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 15:34 |
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Cant say I've seen any that I would describe as looking like an F3 car, they're all getting closer to the Red Bull in looks.
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Posted: February 28 2011 at 18:29 |
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I think I was looking at last years, or a modified last years Virgin. The new one doesn't quite look so ugly. I was mostly referring to the nose shape and the straight bit behind the cockpit. It's different now on the new car.
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Posted: March 01 2011 at 07:30 |
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I actually quite like the look of the Virgin, its still going to be one of the slowest cars out there though , and I doubt that will ever change for them.
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Posted: March 01 2011 at 07:49 |
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I think I read that they didn't use a wind tunnel to design it. So it'll be interesting to see how it goes. And surely it'll be better than the Lotus (and I mean Lotus, not Red Bull Lotus, or whatever they're called now).
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Posted: March 02 2011 at 13:13 |
James wrote:
I think I read that they didn't use a wind tunnel to design it. So it'll be interesting to see how it goes. And surely it'll be better than the Lotus (and I mean Lotus, not Red Bull Lotus, or whatever they're called now). |
True, its designed entirely with CFD (Computational Fluid ,Dynamics), which as every other F1 team is aware doesnt have the computing capacity yet to acuratly model the extremely complex areo of an F1 car, particularly around the front wing endplates, front wheels (particualry whilst turned) and the rear end and diffuser/rear beam wing interaction. Its good enough for sportscars, as Wirth Reaserch's Acuras have won many races, but F1's aero is miles more complex and detail oriented. They'll be ahead of HRT (who's "new" car will be an updated 2010 car) but the green Lotus seems to have made a big jump this year which isnt a surprise as the 2010 car was designed and built in the space of 5 months, so it was deliberatly very conservative and yet was still faster than the other two new cars.
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Posted: March 02 2011 at 18:13 |
Wow, Rubens is still going to be around for this season? My prediction stands true!  Rubino will be the 2011 Champion. Yeah, I'm calling it now.
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Posted: March 02 2011 at 18:21 |
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Protip: it is RubinHo.
Also, You should stop bumping this thread. Everytime I see its title I think about pron.
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Posted: March 02 2011 at 18:30 |
CCVP wrote:
Protip: it is RubinHo.
Also, You should stop bumping this thread. Everytime I see its title I think about pron.
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.....you like some weird ass pron man  And like I said, I'm making a bold claim. Rubens for 2011 champ, winning all 19 races. Ya heard me. And I feel bad for the guy. Known as Schumi's lackie and the shame of Brazil? Number two is the best he could ever hope to get anyway... Besides whenever Ferrari was going at full steam you couldn't touch em. Why be a team leader and get #3 when you can chillax and always sweep up #2!
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Posted: March 02 2011 at 18:38 |
JJLehto wrote:
CCVP wrote:
Protip: it is RubinHo.
Also, You should stop bumping this thread. Everytime I see its title I think about pron.
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.....you like some weird ass pron man
And like I said, I'm making a bold claim.
Rubens for 2011 champ, winning all 19 races.
Ya heard me.
And I feel bad for the guy. Known as Schumi's lackie and the shame of Brazil?
Number two is the best he could ever hope to get anyway...
Besides whenever Ferrari was going at full steam you couldn't touch em. Why be a team leader and get #3 when you can chillax and always sweep up #2!
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I wouldn't call him the shame of the country anymore, I ain't so pissed @ the guy right now, but yeah, he is pretty much the equivalent of would have / could have been around these parts and his name is usually associated with being bad at something, despite the fact that he is a very technical and competent pilot. It is a real shame that he was @ Ferrarri when the kraut was there, but, you know, I always suspected Shummy wasn't that good and last year everybody could see that he is pretty sh*t without the best car ever created for F1, so I started hating him more than Barrichelo. And for your information, watersports isn't weird, mkay, qm.
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Posted: March 02 2011 at 18:43 |
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Well I did say when Ferrari was going at full steam you couldn't touch em....
And as I said in shred, Schumi's old days show his real skill.
When he drove that Benneton to great success, far outpacing his various teammates (which at one point included JJ Lehto).
And I remember the race when his car got stuck in second gear, and altered his driving style to preserve it and held onto a podium.
Also he drove as quick as needed, every race he rode around just enough then when they said "Michael pit stop in 5, pull out 22 seconds" he always did. Also look at his success in 05 when Ferrari was weak, when compared to Rubens.
As for 2010 whadya expect? 3 years out and onto a not so good team?
And yes Rubens was a good driver. Doubt he would've ever gotten the success he had if it wasn't for Ferrari but a good driver nonetheless.
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