Homeless People

rushfan4 wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: rushfan4 wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: rushfan4 wrote: Nope, panhandling is illegal, and giving money to panhandlers only encourages more panhandling.    People make choices throughout their lives, and if those choices made them homeless and living on the streets, then that is their problem.  They could have stayed in school, paid more attention in class, not chosen to start drinking, smoking, drugs, got a real job instead of become a musician, etc.........  Yes they could have been perfect and not made mistakes. But since they did, be damned with giving them a second chance or having them live out their final days with something resembling humanity. Or maybe they were born into poverty with no options for growth, or maybe they were born with a chemical imbalance which reduces their heads to mush, or maybe they came back so damaged from a war we shipped them off to fight that they can't reintegrate. I'm glad you've worked all of this out and laid down your judgment. 1. That is why I pay thousands of dollars a year to my government so that they can take care of those less fortunate.  If people choose to vote in politicians that are more interested in paying for wars or bridges to nowhere, that isn't my problem either.  As far as I am concerned that is what I pay my tax dollars for.  2. Churches and other related charitable organizations exist to assist folks of this nature.  If the church leaders choose to live in mansions and drive around in limosines with the moneys that are donated to them for other purposes, and their flock has no problem with that and continues to give them money, then que sera sera. Summary: It's not my fault or my problem so I don't worry about it. Summary:  Why should I worry about it when the majority of the country doesn't.

I could tie this to our famous thread: Collectivists leave everything to the collective, even charity. Yet it is the individualists who try to solve problem themselves who are deemed selfish, and they are the ones thinking about their neighbor. 

No, I don't give money to homeless people, but I still do give them something.

Edited by NecronCommander - February 28 2011 at 12:54

I have a soft heart? I don't know what the deal is. I suppose I have a big heart. I collected a huge inheritance from my uncle and became crazed, bored, and frustrated. One day I parked the car in town and waited for the local homeless to arrive. I handed out probably 2 to 3 hundred dollars per person. I believe there were 6 homeless people there that day. I split over a thousand between them. I don't know if it truly did them any good. I was probably just showboating giving money away and waiting for their expression of shock or happiness! I had a lot of money then and I was pretty lonely. My friend thought I needed mental help. I was being out of bounds somehow? I remember having close friends and watching through the years what money did to them. I was angry on the inside about that issue and maybe I performed a self indulgent act giving money to the homeless. I guess I could have helped them in some way? My joy was to see them smile!

rushfan4 wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: rushfan4 wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: rushfan4 wrote: Nope, panhandling is illegal, and giving money to panhandlers only encourages more panhandling.    People make choices throughout their lives, and if those choices made them homeless and living on the streets, then that is their problem.  They could have stayed in school, paid more attention in class, not chosen to start drinking, smoking, drugs, got a real job instead of become a musician, etc.........  Yes they could have been perfect and not made mistakes. But since they did, be damned with giving them a second chance or having them live out their final days with something resembling humanity. Or maybe they were born into poverty with no options for growth, or maybe they were born with a chemical imbalance which reduces their heads to mush, or maybe they came back so damaged from a war we shipped them off to fight that they can't reintegrate. I'm glad you've worked all of this out and laid down your judgment. 1. That is why I pay thousands of dollars a year to my government so that they can take care of those less fortunate.  If people choose to vote in politicians that are more interested in paying for wars or bridges to nowhere, that isn't my problem either.  As far as I am concerned that is what I pay my tax dollars for.  2. Churches and other related charitable organizations exist to assist folks of this nature.  If the church leaders choose to live in mansions and drive around in limosines with the moneys that are donated to them for other purposes, and their flock has no problem with that and continues to give them money, then que sera sera. Summary: It's not my fault or my problem so I don't worry about it. Summary:  Why should I worry about it when the majority of the country doesn't.

Great philosophy there.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: I'd rather help out a guy who wrecked his life with drugs than help a guy who has his sh*t together but could give a damn about the welfare of others.

The T wrote: Instead of listening for the 1298791 time to Tales from Topographic Oceans, some people should just read about or talk to actual schizophrenics or psychotic people and realize that, when your mind is confused and running at a much faster rate than normal, narcotic substances sometimes seem to bring relief. Yet this is never considered.

So...what you're saying is that TFTO is like talking to schizophrenics or psychotic people? 

Epignosis wrote: The T wrote: Instead of listening for the 1298791 time to Tales from Topographic Oceans, some people should just read about or talk to actual schizophrenics or psychotic people and realize that, when your mind is confused and running at a much faster rate than normal, narcotic substances sometimes seem to bring relief. Yet this is never considered.   So...what you're saying is that TFTO is like talking to schizophrenics or psychotic people?

The T wrote: Epignosis wrote: The T wrote: Instead of listening for the 1298791 time to Tales from Topographic Oceans, some people should just read about or talk to actual schizophrenics or psychotic people and realize that, when your mind is confused and running at a much faster rate than normal, narcotic substances sometimes seem to bring relief. Yet this is never considered.   So...what you're saying is that TFTO is like talking to schizophrenics or psychotic people?  No. Psychotic people sometimes say interesting things...

Rainbows soft light alternate view sunlight tell me someone alternate view alternate view, surely, surely

The T wrote: You need Thorazine...

Haven't heard of that album.