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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2011 at 13:13
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:


You could make an argument (although I would not necessarily agree) that the first couple of albums by all of these bands shared commonalities. However, listen to all of them now. They have absolutely nothing in common whatsoever, excepting that they are prog rock bands.


That's what makes a style / movement; the fact that they evolved differently after doesn't change they did put out a style / movement a certain time in history. But I'll agree this is a problem for an archiving resource like PA, where only one genre can be assigned. Many people are new to certain genres and telling them "Go check the bands / albums in the category page" when they ask "What's with this X genre?" can indeed be very misleading. Album tagging would solve this IMO.

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:


IQ have never had anything in common musically with Marillion. Pendragon sound absolutely nothing like either, whilst Pallas, in the last three albums certainly, have moved far away from their pure neo roots into a sound that is altogether heavier.


That's normal. A genre / style / movement doesn't imply extreme similarity. Symphonic prog also can be the ELP debut, The Geese And The Ghost, Si on avait besoin d'un cinquieme saison or Going For The One, all different but all Symphonic Prog at the same time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2011 at 13:27
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:


You could make an argument (although I would not necessarily agree) that the first couple of albums by all of these bands shared commonalities. However, listen to all of them now. They have absolutely nothing in common whatsoever, excepting that they are prog rock bands.


That's what makes a style / movement; the fact that they evolved differently after doesn't change they did put out a style / movement a certain time in history. But I'll agree this is a problem for an archiving resource like PA, where only one genre can be assigned. Many people are new to certain genres and telling them "Go check the bands / albums in the category page" when they ask "What's with this X genre?" can indeed be very misleading. Album tagging would solve this IMO.

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:


IQ have never had anything in common musically with Marillion. Pendragon sound absolutely nothing like either, whilst Pallas, in the last three albums certainly, have moved far away from their pure neo roots into a sound that is altogether heavier.


That's normal. A genre / style / movement doesn't imply extreme similarity. Symphonic prog also can be the ELP debut, The Geese And The Ghost, Si on avait besoin d'un cinquieme saison or Going For The One, all different but all Symphonic Prog at the same time.


I absolutely agree about the album tagging Alex, although I suspect it would entail one hell of a lot of work, possibly too much.

Also, your point about the broad range of music that is Symphonic is well taken. I think what I am trying to say is that the way a lot of so called neo bands is tagged is far too restrictive, and that is why they belong in the broader church that is the other sub genres.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2011 at 14:12
I can't wait until the next wave of prog, when we get bands that want to sound like Marillion.
And we classify them as neo-neo-prog.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2011 at 14:53
^ I think that has been done already Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2011 at 15:26

but when you put neo in front of something it just means new so, if 80 was the turning point so all prog after that is neo by this definition. I understand that it's not that easy but litterally that's what it is.

but it brings me another question. If neo is the new symphonic. did symphonic stopped at the end of the 70s?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2011 at 15:44
^ ^ That was what I was thinking... How can there be new symphonic-prog bands if 'neo prog' is new symphonic prog bands? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2011 at 16:13
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

That's what makes a style / movement; the fact that they evolved differently after doesn't change they did put out a style / movement a certain time in history. But I'll agree this is a problem for an archiving resource like PA, where only one genre can be assigned. Many people are new to certain genres and telling them "Go check the bands / albums in the category page" when they ask "What's with this X genre?" can indeed be very misleading. Album tagging would solve this IMO.


I fully support an album tagging system similar to that of Rateyourmusic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2011 at 16:41
Originally posted by Conor Fynes Conor Fynes wrote:

^ ^ That was what I was thinking... How can there be new symphonic-prog bands if 'neo prog' is new symphonic prog bands? 
Just go with it, man. Ignore the word "neo." It doesn't mean anything.
 
We should call it "the genre formerly known as Neo-prog." Might solve some things.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2011 at 18:00
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Conor Fynes Conor Fynes wrote:

^ ^ That was what I was thinking... How can there be new symphonic-prog bands if 'neo prog' is new symphonic prog bands? 
Just go with it, man. Ignore the word "neo." It doesn't mean anything.
 
We should call it "the genre formerly known as Neo-prog." Might solve some things.
Does that mean we have to invent a funny looking symbol to use instead of the words?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2011 at 20:03
Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Conor Fynes Conor Fynes wrote:

^ ^ That was what I was thinking... How can there be new symphonic-prog bands if 'neo prog' is new symphonic prog bands? 
Just go with it, man. Ignore the word "neo." It doesn't mean anything.
 
We should call it "the genre formerly known as Neo-prog." Might solve some things.
Does that mean we have to invent a funny looking symbol to use instead of the words?

or just find another think that connects all those band that is not after 1979
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2011 at 09:44
I find it strange that as a term it has stuck. I mean nobody calls Iron Maiden New Wave of British Heavy Metal anymore.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2011 at 13:43
Originally posted by topographicbroadways topographicbroadways wrote:

I find it strange that as a term it has stuck. I mean nobody calls Iron Maiden New Wave of British Heavy Metal anymore.


That's a really good point.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2011 at 15:05
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

 
 
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My thoughts exactly LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2011 at 18:24
Isn't Neo-prog that clear, antiseptic stuff you spray on cuts and scratches?
 
Stop hurting, start healing with Neo-prog!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2011 at 18:34
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Isn't Neo-prog that clear, antiseptic stuff you spray on cuts and scratches?
 
Stop hurting, start healing with Neo-prog!


One may need that stuff if these hooks get in you.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2011 at 20:28
The big trend in neo-prog that I've noticed are the 80's drums.  Now that I'm thinking about it, is there any 80's rock without the "big", same-sounding drums?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2011 at 20:31
Originally posted by topographicbroadways topographicbroadways wrote:

I find it strange that as a term it has stuck. I mean nobody calls Iron Maiden New Wave of British Heavy Metal anymore.


That is true. Maybe since prog was biggest in the 70's but the NWOBHM was pretty different from the early 70's metal that it's considered "classic metal" opposed to neo-prog being considered followers of the 70's prog.
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