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    Posted: February 07 2011 at 17:47
Apocalyptica is a Symphonic-like, Progressive metal band made up of three cellos, double bass, and drums (obviously). They started out playing Metallica covers on their first album, Plays Metallica by Four Cellos, but soon decided to write their own music. Starting with their second album, Inquisition Symphony, and onward. Apocalyptica is also known for having many session musicians on their latter albums, from Dave Lombardo of Slayer, to Ville Valo of HIM.
 
Eicca Toppinen - cello
Paavo Lojonen - cello
Perttu Kivilaakso - cello
Mikko Siren - drums / double bass
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2011 at 17:54
Symphonic metal =/= progressive metal.

We have symphonic metal bands because when the site begun those were one of the few metal bands allowed in.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2011 at 18:08
This has been suggested several times before, and they've already been rejected. 

Edited by Henry Plainview - February 07 2011 at 18:10
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2011 at 18:25
Look, I know its in your nature to inspect some bands that have or don't have the progressive blood in them, but c'mon guys! Don't you ever listen to some of their music? Sure, most of Apocalyptica's music are more modern, but that doesn't mean that they're not progressive. Before you start judging other bands, I would like for you two to at least listen to their music and tell me why shouldn't this band be on this website. I'm doing the best I can to find some progressive bands at my newbie stage.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2011 at 00:38
Originally posted by Prisonburg Prisonburg wrote:

Look, I know its in your nature to inspect some bands that have or don't have the progressive blood in them, but c'mon guys! Don't you ever listen to some of their music? Sure, most of Apocalyptica's music are more modern, but that doesn't mean that they're not progressive. Before you start judging other bands, I would like for you two to at least listen to their music and tell me why shouldn't this band be on this website. I'm doing the best I can to find some progressive bands at my newbie stage.

It doesn't matter what we think. They were already rejected years ago, and you would need unanimous admin approval to override that. That's not going to happen, so unless they release a new extremely progressive album, they're not going anywhere. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2011 at 04:49
Originally posted by Prisonburg Prisonburg wrote:

Look, I know its in your nature to inspect some bands that have or don't have the progressive blood in them, but c'mon guys! Don't you ever listen to some of their music? Sure, most of Apocalyptica's music are more modern, but that doesn't mean that they're not progressive. Before you start judging other bands, I would like for you two to at least listen to their music and tell me why shouldn't this band be on this website. I'm doing the best I can to find some progressive bands at my newbie stage.
Prisonburg, I agree with you that Apocalyptica is prog metal, and without a doubt one of the most innovative acts of the genre. But, this site is not a public institution, this is a private enterprise. So, the guys have their strong reasons why they rejected Apocalyptica. I have no idea why, but the music could not be the reason, that's for sure. LOL, maybe the reason is that the Apocalyptica is too popular prog matal band, e.g. this live video have almost 11.5 MIO views...
 
This amatheur video have more of 17.3 MIO views...LOL
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2011 at 05:46
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Prisonburg Prisonburg wrote:

Look, I know its in your nature to inspect some bands that have or don't have the progressive blood in them, but c'mon guys! Don't you ever listen to some of their music? Sure, most of Apocalyptica's music are more modern, but that doesn't mean that they're not progressive. Before you start judging other bands, I would like for you two to at least listen to their music and tell me why shouldn't this band be on this website. I'm doing the best I can to find some progressive bands at my newbie stage.
Prisonburg, I agree with you that Apocalyptica is prog metal, and without a doubt one of the most innovative acts of the genre. But, this site is not a public institution, this is a private enterprise. So, the guys have their strong reasons why they rejected Apocalyptica. I have no idea why, but the music could not be the reason, that's for sure. LOL, maybe the reason is that the Apocalyptica is "too popular", e.g. this live video have almost 1.5 MIO views (just kidding, of course)...
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I agree on everything you've said. This site is full of prejudices, opportunism, bias, self-contradiction and non-competense in music. They speak nonsense about what progressive and what not. The whole addition procedure is ludicrous, tons of non-prog bands allowed, tons of prog bands rejected. It is like communism: it started right but then people controlling it don't know how to handle their power and responsibility because they are simply biased by several personal, commercial, inadequate and other misty and impure and unelucidated reasons. They simply strain their powers. And we, who don't have powers like admins and sons, are like Don Quijote against windmills. But there is one thing we musn't forget about. And it is music. Not what they do in its name. No matter what they say, music is the only important thing here. And that is ours.


Edited by Lynx33 - February 08 2011 at 05:48
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2011 at 06:06

I have to edit my post above, because that "One" video have 11.5 MIO views, not "only" 1.5... Maybe Apocalyptica is rejected at times when and because they were Metallica tribute band? Nope, Eurosong 2007 ought to be reason! But, for me, the "lack"of popularity LOL  seems to be THE reason for flipping poor Apocalyptica away; look this, "only" 2.8 MIO views video:

 
Former Metallica tribute, a prog band from 00s,  to be so popular? Oh no, lets hang these guys from Finland on the tree! LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2011 at 08:22
Please use the Search function to see if your suggestion wasn't, by chance, done already in the past!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2011 at 09:19
Originally posted by Lynx33 Lynx33 wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Prisonburg Prisonburg wrote:

Look, I know its in your nature to inspect some bands that have or don't have the progressive blood in them, but c'mon guys! Don't you ever listen to some of their music? Sure, most of Apocalyptica's music are more modern, but that doesn't mean that they're not progressive. Before you start judging other bands, I would like for you two to at least listen to their music and tell me why shouldn't this band be on this website. I'm doing the best I can to find some progressive bands at my newbie stage.
Prisonburg, I agree with you that Apocalyptica is prog metal, and without a doubt one of the most innovative acts of the genre. But, this site is not a public institution, this is a private enterprise. So, the guys have their strong reasons why they rejected Apocalyptica. I have no idea why, but the music could not be the reason, that's for sure. LOL, maybe the reason is that the Apocalyptica is "too popular", e.g. this live video have almost 1.5 MIO views (just kidding, of course)...
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I agree on everything you've said. This site is full of prejudices, opportunism, bias, self-contradiction and non-competense in music. They speak nonsense about what progressive and what not. The whole addition procedure is ludicrous, tons of non-prog bands allowed, tons of prog bands rejected. It is like communism: it started right but then people controlling it don't know how to handle their power and responsibility because they are simply biased by several personal, commercial, inadequate and other misty and impure and unelucidated reasons. They simply strain their powers. And we, who don't have powers like admins and sons, are like Don Quijote against windmills. But there is one thing we musn't forget about. And it is music. Not what they do in its name. No matter what they say, music is the only important thing here. And that is ours.


I feel so sorry for you, having to spend so much time on such a crappy website like this.
Apocalyptica were rejected unanimously, obviously by totally incompetent snobs, communists probably!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2011 at 14:08
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Please use the Search function to see if your suggestion wasn't, by chance, done already in the past!
That search function dont work as it is the same in any other forum. OK, it "works", but only if one knows the topic poster nickname, the time when it was posted, it is not enough to write only the name of the band or the artist, etc.; I dont know for Apocalyptica, but I tried with Loreena McKeenith without any success. lol, It is better to send to you a PM with a question: "Hey, is this great prog act suggested by someone else yet? If not, can I send to you, at very discrete way, few simples before posting in public because I respect HolIy Progginqusition?" LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2011 at 14:19
^ that's not true. I just did a search without setting anything, just writing "Apocalyptica", and it showed one older suggestion thread: Apocalyptica for Prog Metal (maybe) Symphonic Prog

Also, you're writing Loreena McKennitt's name wrong, which is why you can't find anything. It's McKennitt, not McKeenith Wacko
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2011 at 14:34
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

^ that's not true. I just did a search without setting anything, just writing "Apocalyptica", and it showed one older suggestion thread: Apocalyptica for Prog Metal (maybe) Symphonic Prog

Also, you're writing Loreena McKennitt's name wrong, which is why you can't find anything. It's McKennitt, not McKeenith Wacko
YesEmbarrassed, but now I tried on right way and - "no result" againConfused

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2011 at 14:41
That's because nobody suggested her before you, and your thread has the wrong spelling Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2011 at 14:51
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

That's because nobody suggested her before you, and your thread has the wrong spelling Wink
Sorry Harmonium! I edited the topic, I hope It's correct now. BTW, pretty strange that nobody suggested Loreena Mc Kennitt for Prog Folk yet, isn't?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2011 at 14:51
So I guess we have to listen to what the so-called "Gentle" Giants of they say? That we can't add any other suitable prog bands that considered "not prog enough", or "too popular"? What the f**k? I thought this website was where you can add a band that's PROG! But whatever. Doesn't matter anymore, because I'm pretty sure the top dogs won't ever listen to what a "Newbie" like me has to say.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2011 at 14:55

Your newbie status got nothing ado with it. You're just unlucky to take bands that have all been rejected before.

Don't take it personal and don't play it personal. It's ugly.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2011 at 14:56
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

 LOL, maybe the reason is that the Apocalyptica is too popular prog matal band, e.g. this live video have almost 11.5 MIO views...
 
This amatheur video have more of 17.3 MIO views...LOL
 


Well then, we shoud remove Pink Floyd from PA because they have 35 million + views



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As stated before, symphonic metal IS NOT prog metal. Of course, there are plenty of prog metal bands in here with a symphonic sound, but covering Metallica with cellos does not equal progress (-iveness).


And I have Worlds Collide (actually, my brother has it but that's irrelevant) which is supposed to be their "proggiest" album. I fail to see anything new in their music other than repeating the formula of their first 2 albums, which weren't even that innovative.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2011 at 14:59
Originally posted by Prisonburg Prisonburg wrote:

So I guess we have to listen to what the so-called "Gentle" Giants of they say? That we can't add any other suitable prog bands that considered "not prog enough", or "too popular"? What the f**k? I thought this website was where you can add a band that's PROG! But whatever. Doesn't matter anymore, because I'm pretty sure the top dogs won't ever listen to what a "Newbie" like me has to say.


Who said anything about popularity being criteria for addition?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2011 at 15:02
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

That's because nobody suggested her before you, and your thread has the wrong spelling Wink
Sorry Harmonium! I edited the topic, I hope It's correct now. BTW, pretty strange that nobody suggested Loreena Mc Kennitt for Prog Folk yet, isn't?


No problem, no need to apologize to me. I don't find that strange, I'm sure that if her music was PA-worthy, somebody would have suggested her, as she's very well known.
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