Reviews discussion

Negoba wrote: It is clear AtomicCrimsonCrush did not listen to the album at all, instead finding youtube clips of live renditions.   E.g. the openings Track "Pleasure is All Mine" is completely voice, there is no "Minimalist Piano"   Please delete the review at minimum.

Well if you delete this review because i only listened to it once, how about deleting all the reviews of once only listeners - theres hundreds. Life is too busy to be listening to albums over and over just for reviewing purpose. One listen was easily enough to know I would never like this album. I usually listen to albums at least 3 times if I am IN DOUBT. Same applies to Kayo Dot. One listen was once too many for this reviewer.

Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - December 07 2010 at 18:01

^^^ They do when they are in a hurry. I am marking exams at the moment and am just having a break. Some of these exam responses are appalling. One was a half a page of nonsense. Any way can we move this discussion to the discussion thread? Admins please.

AtomicCrimsonRush wrote: Negoba wrote: It is clear AtomicCrimsonCrush did not listen to the album at all, instead finding youtube clips of live renditions.   E.g. the openings Track "Pleasure is All Mine" is completely voice, there is no "Minimalist Piano"   Please delete the review at minimum.   So after over 400 reviews i get reported once. It had to happen i suppose, the odds are 1 in 400 now arent they?   Well if you delete this review because i only listened to it once, how about deleting all the reviews of once only listeners - theres hundreds. Life is too busy to be listening to albums over and over just for reviewing purpose. One listen was easily enough to know I would never like this album. I usually listen to albums at least 3 times if I am IN DOUBT. Same applies to Kayo Dot. One listen was once too many for this reviewer.   Yes we all know you thought it was a brilliant album Negoba, Eureka! but not everyone has that opinion, they are just too lazy to do a review. I researched and listened to EVERY SONG and thats not beyond the guidelines. So if you believe that is retaliation to a review you didnt agree with, I dont get it. You know this is the way the world works.... not everyone is going to agree with opinions. Not everyone is going to agree on everything. You do not like the review, so  i can understand that, but to delete this is extreme when you consider how many other reviewers dont even listen to whole albums and give reasons why they dont like it that are ridiculous, such as my wife did not like it. Those reviews are still here.   I gave good logical reasons per track, I could not find one so had to hear it live but that won't change my opinion. One song with or without piano. My reasons are clear and there is no misunderstanding, it is clear why i dont like the album. And reviewers do this. If they dont like something, a movie or Cd per se, they will make that clear giving reasons why ... i didnt receive one PM about this review yet you bring it up as a report. Extreme, don't you think?   Why report this particular review, there are others here on PA who would agree with my review.   Bjork is love or hate her - you love her, I hate her. Is that OK with you? I will review another Bjork when I borrow it from the library - i wont be buying any of her material though. i WILL listen to it 3 times. Is that Ok with you?

You don't judge SEBTP by Steve Hackett's live instrumental version of Firth of Fifth post 2000. The piano versions from Medulla are at least that different from the studio.

Edited by Negoba - December 07 2010 at 22:28

Yep, greater power, greater resposibility, etc. Allowing this kind of work from a "staff member" does rather send out a message that you don't really need to hear the album before reviewing. I'd say that's an absolute minimum, and preferably more than once.

Ah yes, now the discussion is where it is sposed to be in the discussions thread.

Move on if you wish, but don't expect others to.  I think you should have it deleted if admin don't themselves.  I may not be a reviewer, but it seems strange to me to review an album without actually listening to the album, and I couldn't imagine writing a review without giving an an album time and multiple spins to sink in. Do many collabs do that? With greater weighting comes greater responsibility/ caution (and when it comes to extreme ratings one is expected to be particularly cautious).  This is a reason why I don't think collabs should be given greater weighting for their reviews.

Youtube tracks are not always the same as the ones on the album (abbreviated, re-mixed, or different versions).  And you were talking before about how you hated her so I wonder if you just chose to write a review to show your displeasure. I wouldn't even write a review based on a streaming album, which reminds me, there were concerns about your Kayo Dot Coyote albums review being based on listening to a live version rather than the studio version.  At least Toby Driver liked your review: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73217

EDIT: I've moved a bunch of posts from Reviews Reporting Thread to this (all the posts that followed the initial report of that review).  Discussion should be carried out here.


Edited by Logan - December 08 2010 at 01:29

AtomicCrimsonRush wrote: Logan wrote: Move on if you wish, but don't expect others to.  I think you should have it deleted if admin don't themselves.  I may not be a reviewer, but it seems strange to me to review an album without actually listening to the album, and I couldn't imagine writing a review without giving an an album time and multiple spins to sink in. Do many collabs do that? With greater weighting comes greater responsibility/ caution (and when it comes to extreme ratings one is expected to be particularly cautious). Youtube tracks are not always the same as the ones on the album.  And you were talking before about how you hated her so I wonder if you just chose to write a review to show your displeasure. I wouldn't even write a review based on a streaming album, which reminds me, there were concerns about your Kayo Dot Coyote albums review being based on listening to a live version rather than the studio version.  At least Toby Driver liked your review: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73217 OK I will re- review it next week and replace the review. just leave it up for now. i agree i need to listen again (gulp).   I am getting the album from the library - just ordered a bunch of Bjork albums now about 4 hopefully.   btw Toby Driver sounds like a great guy. Nice retaliation to put my quotes on his blog. I am quite the linguist, arent I. Be famous one day ...   "he gets it!" he says. Ok I got it.

Four albums, why torture yourself with music you don't expect to like when there's so much out there to discover that you would like?  What's the point? Just to write scathing reviews?   Have you seen Dancer in the Dark, if not and you feel strangely compelled to check out more Bjork, you might try watching it (unless you're only planning to listen for for the purposes of reviewing -- course you could review the film for another site).




Edited by Logan - December 08 2010 at 02:06

OK I listened to some of it again and wacked another star on the review. And am deleting some of the more attacking commentary. I was pretty scathing there. I can take on board the comments here and understand these as constructive criticism. Cheers!

For the record Scott, it was never the low rating or the harshness I took issue with.....I may be pretty brutal in some of my reviews with her too when they come up, but I've heard those albums many times.....it was only about the single-listen and youtube live cut that surprised me.  You have every right to hate her music and say so....I think you should keep your one-star if that's what you really think. 

I didn't mean to pile on, I just thought Jay was correct on those two points and wanted to acknowledge them, whoever the artist or Collab happens to be.  Carry on