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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Maybe if an album is added before it goes on sale we should delete the addition rather than wait for the inevitable reviews that will have to be deleted. Seems to me we are going about this backwards.


With this I don't agree, having the album up there creates interest, people see it and preorder the album, we get traffic, etc.
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You're right John, it doesn't make sense.  So let's decide if we're going to allow it, and either change the rule or enforce it.  You guys in Admin need to make the call, and I encourage you do so, so we can end these debates. 

And I don't have the authority to delete reviews, or they'd already be gone.  I don't care one way or the other, I just like to see some consistency with our stated policy. 


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I realize the reviews should go, but its weird that we ask for and encourage them first, that is the whole disconnect on this thing.
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

If you guys want to delete the reviews go ahead, but this is an illogical system.

Out on the open on PA, a new album addition comes with an automatic prompt and encouragement to write a review, meanwhile, back here in secret we are going to delete those reviews and the people who are being encouraged to write reviews don't even know this, it makes no sense.

EDIT: I realize the reviews should go, but its weird they are being encouraged first.


Nobody is reviewing the album John, except for Conor who was an obvious case of promotional reviewing. There are only ratings. But now that the album is oficially out, I think we can let them stay. Yes it's possible to check the date when the ratings were posted but now this is not that interesting for anyone anymore.
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:


Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Maybe if an album is added before it goes on sale we should delete the addition rather than wait for the inevitable reviews that will have to be deleted. Seems to me we are going about this backwards.
With this I don't agree, having the album up there creates interest, people see it and preorder the album, we get traffic, etc.


Alex, we are past that, everyone agrees that the album goes up early now. I just think it is weird that the album addition comes with an encouragement to write reviews, and then people are surprised when that happens.
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I agree with John there, and I know what would be the proper decision (speaking about future, we all know such cases will repeat again and again).

Till PA let to add new album for everyone who would like to do it, you can't control if every new album was added in time or before of its official date of release.

If only members who have responsibility will be able to add albums, then we will be sure what happens, if we will decide that new album could be added only in the day of official release, or later. Without such changes we will always have some pre-release added albums
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Look, let me try to explain this one more time. When we add an album on the site it comes with an automatic prompt to write a review. That is why people are writing reviews for these albums. We are asking them to.
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

The best solution would be to close the rating/reviewing service until the release date and only allow real promo reviews upon request.

Totally agree. Clap Thumbs Up

(I am pretty sure this technically can be implemented if this forum is SQL based) 




Edited by toroddfuglesteg - November 13 2010 at 12:13
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^ that is a good idea, it would take Max to see if it is doable or not.
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

^ that is a good idea, it would take Max to see if it is doable or not.

Let's say that ProgBand release the album "II" on 12. December.

You add the album today with the release date 12. December in an own entry box. I get/steal a leaked version and tries to review it. I should then get a denied service message "Sorry, this album is not out yet" and a grayed out entry field for the review. This according to SQL.    
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Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

^ that is a good idea, it would take Max to see if it is doable or not.

Let's say that ProgBand release the album "II" on 12. December.

You add the album today with the release date 12. December in an own entry box. I get/steal a leaked version and tries to review it. I should then get a denied service message "Sorry, this album is not out yet" and a grayed out entry field for the review. This according to SQL.    



Clap  Awesome!  That'd be ideal if possible. 
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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Well don't be mad Jeff.  Just don't post reviews of albums until release date, as per the rules.  


Sorry about that. I didn't intend on coming across as angry. Smile

I was just pointing out that 99% of the reviewing I do nowadays is based on legal promotional copies. I wouldn't be too happy if a feature were implemented that prevented me from doing pre-release reviews.

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Edited by Finnforest - November 13 2010 at 14:20
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The automation option has been discussed in the past. Outcome was that this would be policy driven for the time being, with Bob and Guigo guarding the reviews:

Albums can be added at any time, and if they are added before release date, that means that illegitimate reviews and ratings will have to be removed. Ratings without review are deleted without checking, for reviews I think Bob and/or Guigo normally check with the reviewer to find out if they may have received a promo copy. Bob's on vacation, and Guigo is in a different time zone (and not online 24x7) so it may take a while for ratings to be removed.
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^ Excellent answer. No more questions, and I believe everyone should be happy with this as well
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So Angelo, are you saying that if the reviewer received a legit promo copy, then a review can be published prior to street official date? 

I want to make sure I understand.
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Yes. That happens quite a lot actually. Of late, bands have also started releasing albums earlier to fan clubs than to the general public, so it only gets 'worse'.
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Needless to say: with the above in mind, it can't heard to bring this to M@X's attention again. Feel free to come up with a worked out proposal, but accept that there is no guarantee he will actually implement it.
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With all respect, I think this is a decision for the Admin group to make with Max, not something for members to create.  There must be a good reason for the original rule.  If it still exists, we should enforce the rule and remove reviews.  If the reasons for the rule don't really apply or matter anymore, the rule should be dropped. 

I don't know the particulars and legal issues that concerned Max in the first place, so I'm hardly the person to suggest a proposal.  My comments were just general, that if we have a rule, we should comply and enforce it. 

There are a lot of difficult decisions that come with running a site.....personality issues, genre debates, etc.  This should not be one of them.  It should be very easy to determine what our policy is, then either dump it or enforce it. 

I'll stop now....I've said too much, obviously ambiguity is a pet peeve of mine.

Gotta get ready for beer hour, it is Saturday nightWink.  Prog on boys.
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Enjoy your beer! As I said: the rule is being enforced, except that the enforcers are not online (yet).
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