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    Posted: November 11 2010 at 22:38
Dunno how others feel but I experience both ends of the Spectrum with Uncle Frank.
I have 20 or so of his albums,all on record and there are those I love - You Are What You Is,Hot Rats,Overnight Sensation for example and those that I would prefer a visit to the dentist for root canal work rather than listen to - Grand Wazoo,Weasels....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2010 at 22:53
Grand Wazoo? Really? Odd, since I'd expect a Hot Rats fan to enjoy the big band jazziness of that record. The avant-noise-weirdo Weasels, I suppose I can understand... but the Grand Wazoo? How strange.

The only Uncle Frank recordings that make me cringe are the Flo and Eddie records. Mostly because of Flo and Eddie.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2010 at 22:54
Nah, I love Zappa. His scatalogical lyrics can be a little bit embarrassing though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2010 at 23:03
I like him a lot.  I wish his music clicked with me, despite how genius it is.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 06:19
I think that's bound to happen with an artist who has such a huge quantity and wide variety of albums. I'd be surprised if anyone liked it all (though I bet somebody will say they do in a minute).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 07:18
Even the stuff that many people tend to hate, I like.  So it's more of a love/like relationship.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 07:23
Well, :-) i've got all his albums and much more live, books, videos...
he is truly a genius not only in recording music... shooting film in video before everybody... recording in digital before everyone, his mentality for life and the way he can answer anyone on anything anywhere is amazing... and his sense of humor is really "décapant" "corrosif" can't find the word in english... have to go now, workin'...   Has he said: Music is the best...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 07:28
Given his vast and multifarious output it's very difficult to come up with an overview of Zappa's music. I like his rock/fusion instrumental music (mostly) but am less enthusiastic about his classical works and loathe his humour.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 07:32
I have another kind of love/hate thing with him, at times i can listen to anything Zappa, have a wonderful time, often combined with a big smile, even his instrumentals are funny, his amasing sence og humor shines trough everything he does. He is one of the most talented composers. At the same time he was able to work within so many diffrent styles. Very few great guitarists/composers actualy that varried, not to mention the batteri of great mucisians he is working with.  
 
But when im not in the mood for Zappa, he hurts, ill have to ask friends to take him of, and if he comes up at my system in a random play, ill often have to skip him, because if im not ready for Zappa, he is awfull.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 08:05
He has kept me busy over the many years. To go from Roxy Elsewhere to Imaginary Diseases? I.D. being a true instrumental jazz orientated album where now, he is taking you on a completely different musical journey. In some strange way after hearing over 65 of his titles, in my sub-con, I feel like I'm listening to a whole different artist. To be a musician and a composer and transform to those levels naturally the way Zappa did, is a very rare gift in life. I feel anger over his death. Do you find that strange? I wished he were still with us. I would love to hear his comments about the world we live in today. But you know? We had to lose someone like that right? It's that old depressing feeling that sets in and I said before, What kind of  a world do we live in when 2 of "The Beatles" are dead, and all 4 of the Monkees are still alive?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 09:21
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 09:42
I massively respect the impact he had (and continues to have) on music in general, but I really have never got him. that's a personal fault, or personal taste, not down to him as such.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 10:13
I love just about all of his music.  Only the doo-wop (like Ruben & The Jets) fails to stimulate me. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 10:33
The only album I don't like very much so far that I own is We're Only In it for the Money; I enjoyed maybe 2 or 3 songs on that one, the rest was pretty uninteresting for me. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 10:45
I think it's all a matter of what mood I happen to be in that day.  
More often than not my mood gravitates toward much of the material from the early 1970s, anything from Waka, Wazoo, ApostropheOne Size etc.  Though my personal history with Zappa began with the 60s Mothers stuff, I really have to be in the mood for it these days.  Every once in a while, though, Uncle Meat or Weasels are the greatest thing on the planet.  It takes quite a bit more for me to be in the mood for the late 70s stuff, when the sex gags seemed to predominate too much for my taste.  Still, every once in a while, Joe's Garage or Sheik Yerbouti is just about right.  
Re: other posts, I do like the classical material, but I don't tend to put the Flo and Eddie stuff on hardly at all.
The damage that we do is just so powerfully strong we call it love

The damage that we do just goes on and on and on but not long enough.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 16:11
I love the guy and his work, yeah he has some mediocre albums but he was a genius nonetheless and you got various albums of his that demonstrates it: Zappa in New York, Overnite Sensation, Apostrophe, Roxy, One Size Fits All, Wazzo, Hot Rats, Jazz from Hell, Absolutely Free, Burnt Weeny Sandwich and although I don't get much of Weseals for me that's an influential or at least an important RIO album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 16:19
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

Nah, I love Zappa. His scatalogical lyrics can be a little bit embarrassing though.
 
I don't think anyone would give a damn if the lyrics weren't there ... and making fun of the seriousness that is so much of the progressive cults in music! ... with a lot less music value for most of those bands, than Frank gave us.
 
Just look at the man as a composer and artist. You may like one piece better than the other, but it does not lessen the value and amount of work that the man put together. And not all of it is scatalogical, unless that is the only thing you are looking for, or a certain group of officers many years ago! ... in which case the whole world is scatalogical and judges are not smart enough to know the difference!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 16:28
I like everything I have by him except Uncle Meat so I like Joe's Garage, Hot Rats, Weasels Ripped My Flesh, The Grand Wazoo, and We're Only In It For the Money.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 16:32
^you should get some more! Wink
 
Definitely don't miss 'Roxy & Elsewhere' and if you like that, get all his other classics from the 70s.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2010 at 18:37
I've got a bunch already and there is still more of the non-posthumous albums I could get.
Zappa, Frank/The Mothers of Invention    Freak Out!    1966   
Zappa, Frank/The Mothers of Invention    Uncle Meat    1968   
Zappa, Frank    Hot Rats    1969   
Zappa, Frank/The Mothers of Invention    We're Only In It for the Money    1969   
Zappa, Frank/The Mothers of Invention    Burnt Weeny Sandwich    1970   
Zappa, Frank    Over-nite Sensation    1973   
Zappa, Frank    Apostrophe (')    1974   
Zappa, Frank    Zoot Allures    1976   
Zappa, Frank    Studio Tan    1978   
Zappa, Frank    Joe's Garage Acts I, II & III    1979   
Zappa, Frank    Sheik Yerbouti (Remaster)    1979   
Zappa, Frank    Thing-Fish    1984   
Zappa, Frank    Jazz From Hell    1986   
Zappa, Frank    Broadway the Hardway    1988   
Zappa, Frank and Captain Beefheart   Bongo Fury  1975
Zappa, Frank   Lumpy Gravy  1967
Zappa, Frank   The Best Band You Never Heard in Your Life  1988
Zappa, Frank   Tinsel Town Rebellion  1981
Zappa, Frank   You Are What You Is  1981
Zappa, Frank/The Mothers of Invention   One Size Fits All  1975




Edited by Slartibartfast - November 12 2010 at 18:57
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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