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Posted: November 11 2010 at 17:32
Varon wrote:
Of course I believe ! For me Genesis is much more progressive than KC! But here almost everyone who votes for KC argues his choice saying "its the most progressive band" . But progressivenes itself isn't very important feature ! It says nothing about a Music .
So? I was a huge Genesis fan before I discovered the music of KC. When I discovered KC, I listened to their first 8 albums in a row and I thought and still think, that I haven't heard any music in my life more beautiful! (Only ITWOP is a little behind, because I think it only repeats the themes of ITCOTCK).
And after the great live footage of Genesis above, I'd like to add for equality:
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Posted: November 11 2010 at 19:27
Gandalff wrote:
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Of course I believe ! For me Genesis is much more progressive than KC! But here almost everyone who votes for KC argues his choice saying "its the most progressive band" . But progressivenes itself isn't very important feature ! It says nothing about a Music . For example, Wagner is more "prog" than Tchaikovsky but we all understand who is better composer .
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Wagner by a considerable distance.
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Obviously Wagner by miles and miles. [/QUOTE]
Obviously Tchaikovsky by light year. I like his Slavonic feeling and congenial tunes.
On the other way, Wagner was anti-Semite incidentally. And his compositions sounds very pompously even large to me.
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Posted: November 11 2010 at 21:53
Formentera Lady wrote:
I was a huge Genesis fan before I discovered the music of KC. When I discovered KC, I listened to their first 8 albums in a row and I thought and still think, that I haven't heard any music in my life more beautiful! (Only ITWOP is a little behind, because I think it only repeats the themes of ITCOTCK).
Well stated. I like Genesis too, but I love King Crimson. Genesis songs always seemed to be a compilation of catchy tunes strung together into a long song (albeit with some great lyrics) and while they were pleasant and beautiful to hear, they sounded the same every time. King Crimson songs seemed more sophisticated; music that was not catchy but moving, and grew on me slowly until I craved it. For me, it's like comparing Copeland to Bach.
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Posted: November 11 2010 at 22:16
Ronnie Pilgrim wrote:
Formentera Lady wrote:
I was a huge Genesis fan before I discovered the music of KC. When I discovered KC, I listened to their first 8 albums in a row and I thought and still think, that I haven't heard any music in my life more beautiful! (Only ITWOP is a little behind, because I think it only repeats the themes of ITCOTCK).
Well stated. I like Genesis too, but I love King Crimson. Genesis songs always seemed to be a compilation of catchy tunes strung together into a long song (albeit with some great lyrics) and while they were pleasant and beautiful to hear, they sounded the same every time. King Crimson songs seemed more sophisticated; music that was not catchy but moving, and grew on me slowly until I craved it. For me, it's like comparing Copeland to Bach.
Wow! i though I was the only one who felt that way about Genesis!!
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Posted: November 11 2010 at 23:33
Zargus wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Writer of music held beliefs that I find distasteful ERGO The music is rubbish.
OY, such nonsense people try to pass off as logic these days.
I´ve meant that I dislike Wagner´s music due to its pomp and pretentiousness especially. The unexceptionable fact about his anti-semitism only confirms my belief but it´s not the main reason.
His music isn´t rubbish but not my cup of tea.
A prog rocker who dont like "pomp and pretentiousness " wooooow! I think your on the wrong forum, go and listen to your unpretentious punk rock then or something...
I seriusly never understod why pomp and pretentiousness is so bad in music, in all other arts its fine but in music its a crime, music must be simpel and easy obviusly and a big laugh, damn thos musicians that take em self to seriusly!
Well. Let´s say Wagner is TOO POMP AND PRETENTIOUSNESS for me. Like Epitaph power of ten.
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Posted: November 12 2010 at 04:20
b4usleep wrote:
crimhead wrote:
Crimso for me. Seen both live. I wish that I could have seen Peter era Genesis live.
Is anybody here, seen (Gabriel era) Genesis live?
I think there are many on this forum who saw Genesis live before 1976. I saw them at the Reading Festival in 1971 and 1972, at the Oval in 1972 and on the Selling England and Lamb Lies Down tours.
To me there is no contest here. Of the 13 albums produced by these two bands before 1975 I would rank them as follows:
1. Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
2. Court of the Crimson King
3. Selling England By the Pound =
Foxtrot
5. Nursery Cryme
6. Wake of Poseidon
7. Trespass
8. Lizard
9. Starless =
Islands
11. Larks Tongues
12. Red
12. Genesis to Revelation
Genesis started average but got better and better with each album until they produced one of the greatest albums ever.
King Crimson started with one of the greatest albums ever but each successive album was not quite so good.
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Posted: November 12 2010 at 06:45
ten years after wrote:
To me there is no contest here.
For me neither.
ten years after wrote:
Of the 13 albums produced by these two bands before 1975 I would rank them as follows:
1. Red 2. Foxtrot 3. The Lamb lies down on Broadway 4. Selling England by the Pound 5. Larks' Tongues in Aspic 6. Starless and Bible Black 7. Lizard 8. In the Court of the Crimson King 9. Islands 10. Nursery Cryme 11. In the Wake of Poseidon 12. Trespass 13. From Genesis to Revelation
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Posted: November 12 2010 at 06:54
mahavishnujoel wrote:
Ronnie Pilgrim wrote:
Formentera Lady wrote:
I was a huge Genesis fan before I discovered the music of KC. When I discovered KC, I listened to their first 8 albums in a row and I thought and still think, that I haven't heard any music in my life more beautiful! (Only ITWOP is a little behind, because I think it only repeats the themes of ITCOTCK).
<font ="apple-style-span"="" face="Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif"><span ="apple-style-span"="" style="font-size: small;">Well stated. I like Genesis too, but I love King Crimson. Genesis songs always seemed to be a compilation of catchy tunes strung together into a long song (albeit with some great lyrics) and while they were pleasant and beautiful to hear, they sounded the same every time. King Crimson songs seemed more sophisticated; music that was not catchy but moving, and grew on me slowly until I craved it. For me, it's like comparing Copeland to Bach.</span>
Wow!i though I was the only one who felt that way about Genesis!!
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Posted: November 12 2010 at 08:37
I think another reason why we have less votes here than in the polls between Genesis and Yes, and Genesis, Yes and PFM, is that quite a few of us are unable to decide which band we like the most. At least that’s why I can’t vote here: A vote for G would be a vote against KC and vice versa, and either way I would have felt bad about it.
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Posted: November 12 2010 at 10:44
Ronnie Pilgrim wrote:
Formentera Lady wrote:
I was a huge Genesis fan before I discovered the music of KC. When I discovered KC, I listened to their first 8 albums in a row and I thought and still think, that I haven't heard any music in my life more beautiful! (Only ITWOP is a little behind, because I think it only repeats the themes of ITCOTCK).
Well stated. I like Genesis too, but I love King Crimson. Genesis songs always seemed to be a compilation of catchy tunes strung together into a long song (albeit with some great lyrics) and while they were pleasant and beautiful to hear, they sounded the same every time. King Crimson songs seemed more sophisticated; music that was not catchy but moving, and grew on me slowly until I craved it. For me, it's like comparing Copeland to Bach.
If you compare KC with Bach, Genesis is Mozart and not Copeland . + KC reminds me Berlioz or Wagner rather than Bach. It's an interesting topic for discussion anyway
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Posted: November 12 2010 at 13:15
Varon wrote:
If you compare KC with Bach, Genesis is Mozart and not Copeland . + KC reminds me Berlioz or Wagner rather than Bach. It's an interesting topic for discussion anyway
Funny, my first inclination was to compare Genesis to Mozart. But when I consider all of the post-Hackett material, I maintain that Copeland is a better analogy. After all, my stance was that Genesis is catchy while King Crimson is moving. Sorry, I can't agree with you about the Wagner analogy. King Crimson is to Prog as Bach is to Classical imho.But perhaps you are referring to style whereas I am referring to influence, so I do understand your viewpoint.
Edited by Ronnie Pilgrim - November 12 2010 at 13:29
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But when I consider all of the post-Hackett material, I maintain that Copeland is a better analogy. After all, my stance was that Genesis is catchy while King Crimson is moving. Sorry, I can't agree with you about the Wagner analogy. King Crimson is to Prog as Bach is to Classical imho.