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yanch
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Posted: November 05 2010 at 06:24 |
I don't really make the Supper's Ready comparison either. Yes, Sacred Sound is a terrific long song, but for me it is not related to Genesis' classic. I'll have to give Sacred Sound another listen, but I haven't made the Knife connection, but let's see. Clearly, IQ has shown they were influenced by Genesis, but they really have their own sound, and a fine one at that!
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Posted: November 04 2010 at 16:28 |
Snow Dog wrote:
I don't hear Suppers Ready in any song by IQ. I find these comments mysterious. |
Harvest Of Souls does have a structure very reminescent of Suppers Ready but really in a much broader sense rather than a direct rip off as such. I do hear bits of The Knife in Sacred Sound but no one else agrees with me on that one
Martin Orford was actually very unhappy about the Genesis comparison and argued strongly against it.
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Posted: November 04 2010 at 12:09 |
I don't hear Suppers Ready in any song by IQ. I find these comments mysterious.
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rod65
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Posted: November 04 2010 at 12:00 |
Snow Dog:
I agree that list threads are not that interesting, but also that it is nice to share opinions. I wonder whether we might give some indication of why we like what we like--not for every song as that would be cumbersome, but maybe for a few. Personally, I can say that I am appreciating The Seventh House more now than at any time in the past largely from having read and thought about comments on the album made recently on another IQ thread. Always open to have my appreciation expanded.
As for me, I'll note that my list, posted above, includes all three of the ~20 min. epics. I love to lose myself in long compositions. But more importantly, I'll add that Harvest of Souls strikes me as a much more mature and interesting composition than Last Human Gateway. Both are clearly composed with Supper's Ready very much in mind, but where the former does not really transcend its model, I think the latter does. I hear in Harvest of Souls, not so much imitation as conversation, as though the musicians are more actively responding to their jumping-off point, bringing more of themselves to the table. Both Supper's Ready and Harvest address religious ideas, but do so in different ways, with Harvest clearly addressing the issues of religion and power that defined so much of Bush/Cheney America. The heavenly vision of the first has become a dystopic vision in the second, not because of the ideals themselves but because of how people have misused them (and no, I am not making a push for Christianity here: I'm not religious). Musically as well, the echoes are not merely echoes: they are transformations also bound, I suspect, to the grimmer vision of IQ's song.
Anyway, I've probably gone on long enough. I hope some of you also choose to elaborate on a few of your choices, and look forward to whatever doors your thoughts might open in my own mind.
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Posted: November 04 2010 at 10:21 |
I don't want to turn this into a lists thread, but i'm interested in what everyone likes. I would agree obviuosly on Last Human gateway. To be honest I haven't decided yet on any others besides.Sacred Sound from Dark Matter. Quite like Corners from The Wake too.
Edited by Snow Dog - November 04 2010 at 11:04
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lazland
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Posted: November 04 2010 at 10:11 |
From the ones I have:
Dark matter - Harvest of Souls Ever - Leap of Faith Frequency - Closer The seventh House - The seventh House Subterranea - The narrow Margin The Wake - Magic Roundabout
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Posted: November 04 2010 at 09:04 |
Yeah, nice idea .
7 Stories Into 8 - It All Stops Here
Tales From The Lush Attic - The Last Human Gateway
The Wake - The Magic Roundabout
Nomzamo - Common Ground
Are You Sitting Comfortably? - War Heroes
Ever - Leap Of Faith
Subterranea - Sleepless Incidental
The Seventh House - The Seventh House
Dark Matter - Sacred Sound
Frequency - Riker Skies
Rob, I love Genesis and absolutely adore Supper's Ready. I really don't mind "appreciation" of a classic as you call it, but for me on Harvest Of Souls, IQ just went a little too far. Don't get me wrong, it's still very good, but as such I tend to not listen to it that much. For me Sacred Sound is the best on Dark Matter by some distance.
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Posted: November 04 2010 at 08:11 |
'Tales .. ' is probably one of my top 10 albums of all time. Unlike most, I didn't like The Wake. Also, unlike most, I really like the Menel albums. Of the more recent ones, Freqeuncy is the best.
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rod65
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 21:28 |
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Hey...how about everyone post their favourite song from each IQ studio album? |
Good idea. Here are mine:
Tales from the Lush Attic: Last Human Gateway The Wake: Headlong
Nomzamo: Human Nature
Are You Sitting Comfortably: Falling Apart at the Seams
Ever: Leap of Faith
Subterranea: The Narrow Margin
Seventh House: Guiding Light
Dark Matter: Harvest of Souls
Frequency: has been Frequency but currently shifting toward
The Province
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richardh
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 16:31 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Hey...how about everyone post their favourite song from each IQ studio album? |
I'll go first then
Tales From The Lush Attic - The Last Human Gateway
The Wake - Widow's Peak
Nomzamo - Common Ground
Are You Sitting Comfortably? - Nothing At All
Ever - Further Away
Subterranea - Capricorn
The Seventh House - The Seventh House
Dark Matter - Sacred Sound
Frequency - Frequency
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 14:57 |
Anyway chaps, must say that the new Spock's Beard is absolutely bloody Marvellous - superb composition , with some startling keyboards by Okumoto - just good from start to finish - highly recommended!
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 14:50 |
Pertwee for me too, but Tom Baker is a close second and he has the added points that his first wife Lalla Ward is now married to Richard Dawkins!
I too like Are you sitting comfortably and Nom zamo - these two have real gems on them.
I also LOVE Dark Matter, I know Roj dislikes Genesis more than Floyd n Yes - thus his disdain for Harvest of Souls - A superb suppers ready appreciation track if ever there was one!
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 14:32 |
Hey...how about everyone post their favourite song from each IQ studio album?
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 14:07 |
Davison for me.
I seem to have missed out on all the Neo prog thing in the 80s except for Marillion of course. But I don't really like Marillion and then I really didn't like them. When I first heard !Q's Lush Attic about 10 years ago I liked it straight away. Just a bshame I was not aware of them or mthe rest of the similar acts back then,
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yanch
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 14:06 |
Pertwee, Baker, Davidson, Ecclestone and Tennant are all wonderful.
I do think they have gotten better with time, but The Wake, IMHO, is still a terrific album.
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lazland
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 13:48 |
Roj M30 wrote:
Jon Pertwee for me too .
I've known IQ since the very beginning and my list of favourites come from all their eras. However, my favourite three at the moment are The Seventh House, Subterranea and The Wake.
Just missed them recently at Bury when they played The Wake in it's entirety - that was a real shame. |
Pertwee for me, too I've known them since the start, but, as much as i love the LPs you state, I actually think they have got better with time. The last two albums, IMHO, are their best.
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 04:19 |
Jon Pertwee for me too .
I've known IQ since the very beginning and my list of favourites come from all their eras. However, my favourite three at the moment are The Seventh House, Subterranea and The Wake.
Just missed them recently at Bury when they played The Wake in it's entirety - that was a real shame.
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 02:45 |
Harry Hood wrote:
My first IQ album was Dark Matter, and as a result i tend to feel that the new stuff is brilliant and the old stuff isn't really anything special. I happen to draw the arbitrary line at "Ever", for me the band really took off when Mike Holmes became the full time producer.
Then again, my first Doctor was Christopher Eccelson, so this thread is kind like being in a room full of Tom Baker fans. |
Jon Pertwee for me (although there must be some Patrick Troughton and Wiliam Hartnell fans in the house )
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Harry Hood
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 00:49 |
My first IQ album was Dark Matter, and as a result i tend to feel that the new stuff is brilliant and the old stuff isn't really anything special. I happen to draw the arbitrary line at "Ever", for me the band really took off when Mike Holmes became the full time producer.
Then again, my first Doctor was Christopher Eccelson, so this thread is kind like being in a room full of Tom Baker fans.
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rod65
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Posted: November 02 2010 at 22:25 |
I hadn't made the production link. Thanks. That explains a lot.
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