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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29452 |
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Yep lovely irony that.
There is also a little story recounted by Keith Emerson that Carl Palmer walked out of a record shop in Japan with a bunch of ELP bootlegs under his arm. Didn't pay for them (tight git apparently) and then some of them appeared on that aforementioned box set.
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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I don't think anyone here would argue that bootlegging for profit is NOT stealing so Greg's basic premise seems sound but not even he could have eaten his way through the vast millions he earned while with ELP surely?
On a more realistic note, I also don't believe bootleggers would even consider pirating his solo material or concerts as viable (he has barely produced a demi semi quaver of decent music on his own after 1976) What's interesting about ELP is the ploy they used to attempt to defeat the pirates by releasing the best audio quality bootlegs available as a legitimate boxed set (The Official Bootleg Series from the Manticore Vaults Volumes 1 - 3 in 2001) Some of this material is decent sound quality and some is atrocious but putting the boot on the other foot - why should ELP fans pay top dollar for products that are below commercial release standard just so the trio can attempt to recoup some of the losses from the aforementioned pirates? (That's like the cops selling us the moonshine they confiscated from the gangsters) |
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Harry Hood ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: August 15 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1305 |
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Yeah he is really barking up the wrong tree going after concert recordings. Clearly Greg Lake is not a master of the google search.
And I don't know if he realizes how much money it would cost to track down and go after everyone who downloaded anything. He'd make more money on hypothetical record sales if he just ignored it really.
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Padraic ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
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MAC addresses can also be spoofed.
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TODDLER ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: August 28 2009 Location: Vineland, N.J. Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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Not to be confused with your MACDADDYHIP address.
![]() Back to topic. I respect the artists prerogative on this. Besides with all the live DVDs that come out, it's kind of pointless to bootleg anyway. |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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What?
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Textbook ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 3281 |
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You know, whether he's right doesn't even matter. I think if I was a recording artist, I'd have to be fatalistic about this and just say "Well, people are going to do it. They just are. I have to deal with that."
But I wouldn't make statements like this because historically it turns the internet against you and the hardcore subsequently make a point of pirating your music, which then spreads into the general netizen domain.
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J-Man ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 07 2008 Location: Philadelphia,PA Status: Offline Points: 7826 |
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Alberto Muñoz ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I have a word about this,
As far as i know ELP and Greg Lake have prevented many sharing music sites to share their Unnoficial Live Recordings, so those sites respect what Greg wishes, like Fripp Wishes and PT wishes, and many other bands that don't want that any unnoficial material are shared.
Do this going to stop poor sales or download concerts, official material, et. al.? NO! millions and i say millions of illegal and unnoficial material are still flows in the internet, Greg have said that the author is the owner of the material and he's right, but he can't prevent the misuses of that material, for example " i have a friend that request me to lend a couple of cd's of ELP, do i have to warn him not to copy??, pleeeease is the first thing that usually done, and specially if my friend have a poor personal income, do we violate the copyright doing that?, NOOOO, because the Berna agreement, prevents that a person can do a copy of a work (book, music, etc.) for only purpose of personal use or research, many of us got a copy of the old vinyls with a cassette, now the technology allow us to have almost pristine identical copies of a cd, a dvd, etc.
The misuse starts when you have an income for selling copies of official material to the general public, now that's a felony and punishment have to be, but about the unnofficial material... it's more difficult to trace and any artist that was taped in a show and discovers that many of his performances are now free distribute or shared via internet or ordinary mail, how can them going to trace every single show on earth??
I think that one thing to prevent is like Pearl Jam or Gov't Mule do, tape their shows and offers to the general public and a very reasonable prize, i think that with that they cannot prevent the free sharing but at least can have some profit selling their shows.
just my 2 cents.
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The Wrinkler ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 03 2009 Status: Offline Points: 638 |
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Rofl |
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Adams Bolero ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 07 2009 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 679 |
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The post of the month!
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''Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal.''
- Albert Camus |
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clarke2001 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 14 2006 Location: Croatia Status: Offline Points: 4160 |
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I went to a gallery; there was an Picasso exhibition. If friend of mine took a photo of me with famous Picasso's painting, and if I publish that photo on Facebook, is that a crime?
Downloading loads of albums via torrents is one thing, but a crappy bootleg? Give me a break. |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29452 |
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All I deduce from this is that someone is not as well off as he used to be.
btw sheer genius Padraic
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J-Man ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 07 2008 Location: Philadelphia,PA Status: Offline Points: 7826 |
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Exactly my point. I can't tell you how many bands I've checked out thanks to MP3 or YouTube samples. Without those, I would have no idea what the band sounds like. Now, for most people, this isn't the case with ELP - most people already know what ELP sounds like. However, online YouTube videos are just as equally good, except for different reason. Since ELP has a big following, it gives their fans a chance to check out their latest shows. There's really no downside to YouTube clips, from any perspective. The reason why some bands aren't selling well is because of piracy of albums, not bootlegs. Keep in mind that you can't buy a bootleg directly from a band, thus the artist isn't losing any business from bootlegging. If anything, the artist is just gaining more exposure. The artist may be losing money from downloading of full-length albums. Blaming this on bootlegs is just a silly thing to do IMO. |
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JLocke ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 18 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4900 |
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Greg Lake isn't very smart these days, is he? Poor man...
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mourningknight ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 20 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 203 |
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TheGazzardian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8815 |
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The way he said it is incorrect, he's probably talking about your IP Address. Which there are ways around, but if you are using those, chances are pirating musical performances isn't your interest so much as hacking.
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