ProgArchives Mafia: The Merriweather Murder

Well, almost all of my evidence was collected into my vote post - feel free to read it and pick it apart as you will - the only thing that didn't make that post was the possibility of BTSC going on between S~V~S and nutella (because I didn't suspect it until after nutella voted), and another thing that I just thought of:

S~V~S wrote: as a matter of fact, once you mention them, they are LESS likely to kill you, because it makes them look bad.  But you are right; sometimes they DO just kill you~

That looks to me like an indirect way of saying that I was a probable kill target until I started collecting evidence against her...it's not solid, but it's something else for you to think about.  If somehow I end up dead in Day 6 or Night 6...keep that in mind, though.  The second sentence in particular makes me wonder if I'll be targeted by a baddie assassination during Night 6...

Ah well, I'm off for the rest of the night, I have to go study physics so I'm not completely lost this coming week.  Happy voting, everyone!

Actually, I was giving you advice 

But I guess you already have all the advice you need. And why would you think I have BTSC with Nutella?? And don't forget that there is civvie BTSc in this game. Just cause someone has BTS doesn't mean they're baddies. I wounder where you would have picked up such a notion in your first game? Where there IS civvie BTSC?? In many games, if not most, civ BTSC is uncommon. But you wouldn't know that.

How odd

The avant mafia!

*prepares for mind melt*

SaltyJon wrote: OK, here goes.  Time for me to cast my vote, and before I do I'll present my evidence.   Days 4 and 5, S~V~S and the same two other players voted similarly - Day 4 for JJLehto (who may have been a bad guy, but she and the others may be on the other baddie team, trying to draw attention away from themselves) and day 5, she and the other two were the first three to vote for J-man (who, as we all know, turned out to be a good guy).  This in itself is not good enough evidence to convict anyone, though, so I'll continue. Over the last day or two, she's been claiming that Bea is a baddie, based on (so far) unsubstantial evidence, much of which has involved me.  See, if you will, for evidence: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=72149&PID=3918165#3918165 and her post immediately before it - a quick look will prove that her accusations are not very sound here.  My opinion:  She's attempting to draw attention away from herself, because she's starting to get worried that people will put the pieces together.  Stating repeatedly that Bea is "mothering her flock" and similar statements, she's attempting to play on the fact that she and Bea have played together before on more than one occasion while most of us (including myself) haven't ever played before, period.  We, the other players, have no way of knowing for sure if what she says about how Bea acts when she's a baddie is true, other than trusting her word.  This late into the game, without some solid way of proving it, I can't accept that as evidence.  If she develops more solid quotes rather than just slinging accusations (and if I can verify them), I'll pay more attention for the next lynch vote.  After night 5, S~V~S survived a night kill somehow.  She claims that it was the result of her winning a contest (which may well be perfectly true) but that doesn't prove she's not a baddie, and it's also not the only explanation; Other possibilities are a) Jon Anderson character decided for whatever reason to protect her, which I kind of doubt, b) She was saved by Maynard James Keenan after some BTSC between the baddies, and c) She is playing the Mikael Akerfeldt character, thus granting her automatic night-kill protection.  Three of the four possibilities here show that she could very likely be a baddie.   Unfortunately, the pieces stack up against S~V~S here, whether or not I'm right will be determined in the future.  From my point of view though, it's a pretty solid chunk.   Based on this evidence and on personal opinion, I vote for S~V~S.

I survived a kill because I won a prize. I have no NK protection. And I believe Bea to be bad even more firmly than before~ nothing will shake this conviction on my part. But I have no case, no proof, and Beas defender has decided I must be bad because he doesn't like my way of playing the game.

And let me remind you, that just as you say winning a prize doesn't mean I'm not a baddie, me being a baddie would not make Bea a civvie. And even if you wrongly lynch me to protect her, then what? She is still a baddie, and everyone will know it.  Your entire case against me is something you developed totally out of whole cloth since I decided to go for Bea.

I have also learned I rely too much on past play for my arguments, something i used to loathe. So after going through endless pages of posts that say NOTHING, and lots of "shredding", what I see is a Bea who is always agreeing with me. This is SO not civvie Bea. Civvie Bea, in any forum, not just HV, speaks her mind. That person isn't playing here. Civvie Bea makes shrewd and insightful points, and doesn't care who doesn't like it. I don;t see that person here either. I see bad Bea, blendy, agreeable, with no strength of conviction on her part. Civvie Bea is like a beacon of light. Baddie Bea, not so much.

Her posting is blendy, her voting is blendy. She is bad, and I am sorry if you want "proof". This isn;t a smoking gun game, this is a game where you play on your gut.

You give a lot of possibilities as to what else "could have happened" when i didn't die, but they are only possibilities. I am telling you it is the truth that I won a NP, and maybe I won another prize, too.

All I know is I voted Bea, I would vote Bea again, and I will continue to vote Bea until either I die, or SHE addresses me and my accusations. because SHE knows what i am talking about, she knows I am not just making this up, as you seem to be implying. I would not be going after my closest friend in this manner were I not confident, because this has caused stress between us before. You can believe me 100% when i say that if i was going to go for someone randomly, to make up a case against them, it would NOT be Bea. And i would make up a better case, lol~

I admire what you are doing, Jon. And truly, I was just trying to give you some friendly advice before, not imply that I had or would target you for an NK if i even had one. I am sorry you are looking at me in such a sinister light.

The vast majority of the posts I pulled are proof of your BTSC with Bea, IMO. So I ditched them, because like i told you, there is civ BTSC in this game, and just having BTSC doesn't make you bad~ just like it wouldn;t make me bad, as you seem to be implying.

So that is my case; i just read Beas 107 posts, and they are blendy, with comparatively low content ratios. I didn't quote any of them, because individually they had no power. Collectively, though, they paint a picture of a Bea who isn't the crusading civvie i know Bea to be.

Watching this all while floating around in the sky is actually quite entertaining

There is a lot of civvie BTSC, Jon. And since this is your first game, you wouldn't overlook it, you would view it as normal.

And of course Bea doesn't "need" a defender. But i can't shake the feeling that you never would have said Boo to or about me had I not called out Bea.

And honestly, the only thing that interests me is that i would like to hear why you twisted my remarks about taking a chance with your suspicions into a death threat. Because you turned what was supposed to be an encouraging remark into a pretzel.

Civvies don't need to twist things like that. They have the truth.

I hope this turns out how I want this to turn out

progkidjoel wrote: Triceratopsoil wrote: I hope this turns out how I want this to turn out With hugs?

Im hoping bloody orgy

Wow, I really dunno what to do or how to think about all this...I have little time to follow this game right now but my honest opinnion is that infact both Bea and SVS are bad. SVS found out somehow that Bea is bad and is going for civvie cred. That's my opinion. I just dunno who is on which team and I dunno who poses the biggest thread right now but I will wait to cast my vote later on.

SaltyJon wrote: Finally, a note off topic:  This thread has resulted in my longest posts on PA, apart from ZART work.

Yeah... Mafia has a tendency to do that.