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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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I kind of like the answer "I dunno, the lost spectacles were his own affair." ![]() |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Textbook ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 3281 |
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But does that story mean anything or is it just Anderson being a clown?
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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I would tell you but then I'd have to kill you... |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Textbook ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 3281 |
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I still don't get Anderson. A Passion Play sounds WAY more like a parody of progressive rock than TAAB but he goes on about how TAAB is a parody and APP is the serious one. It's interesting listening to the Chateau Disaster tapes though. Those sessions start of silly but they're always a little sinister, but the more it goes on it gets almost oppressively dark and serious. I think his sense of humour started to emerge the more he did all this dark and horrible material (which led to the sarcastic tone on Warchild which was quite a facetious album) so if they hadn't had to re-record APP, maybe it wouldn't have had the hare story on it.
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tuxon ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 21 2004 Location: plugged-in Status: Offline Points: 5502 |
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I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT
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darksideof ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 22 2007 Location: Newark N.J. Status: Offline Points: 2318 |
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Textbook ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 3281 |
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Sigh.
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darksideof ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 22 2007 Location: Newark N.J. Status: Offline Points: 2318 |
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Textbook ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 3281 |
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How on earth can he say it's not irreverent or humourous with the GREAT FRIGGIN SARCASTIC PANTOMIME STORY IN THE MIDDLE?
Guy cannot judge his own work as proven further by the great tracks he continually leaves off albums.
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darksideof ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 22 2007 Location: Newark N.J. Status: Offline Points: 2318 |
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One of the commonest criticisms of 'A Passion Play' is that there's a childish, 'nonsense' piece inserted between Acts Two and Three, which bears no relation to the rest of The Play. In 1973 concerts, the band left the stage after Act Two and a filmed version of 'The Hare...' was shown; this is now available on the25th Anniversary video, reissued as the 'A New Day Yesterday' DVD. So why was it included?The usual explanation, generally accepted but unconfirmed, is that it reflects the structure of a genuine mediæval Passion Play. Such productions were (are) punctuated by comic interludes; relief from the deadly seriousness of the main play. At the natural break in a LP recording (i.e. the point where the listener needs to turn the album over), and in the context of a stage play (reinforced by the album sleeve), a brief interval makes sense. On a more pragmatic level, the interval was presumably included in live performances to give the band a rest and toilet break! The LyricsThe full lyrics, accompanied by a transcript of how they fitted into the film, arehere. In case there's still someone who's failed to spot the animal puns, here they are: 'The Hare...' is very reminiscent of A.A. Milne's 'Winnie the Pooh' stories, especially in featuring an owl, a kangaroo and a rabbit (not a hare). However, I feel Kangaroo was included primarily for the '...can, Guru,...' pun. 'The Hare...' was developed into a children's book in 2002, by New York artist Michael Korb. His project is viewable here, though he does not yet have a print publisher - can you help? Who is the Hare, anyway?As usual, a potentially more 'profound' interpretation can be drawn from 'The Hare...'. Andy Jackson makes a persuasive argument for the identity of the metaphorical Hare: Jeffrey himself. "I see the story of the Hare is a kind of allegory of Jeffrey's youth as a highly-introverted potential artist at the beginning of his 'journey'." Jeffrey did wear glasses at school and occasionally afterwards, though that's probably not particularly relevant to the Hare's metaphorical spectacles. The central premise of 'The Hare...' is that everyone believes Hare to be in crisis, lacking direction (he can't see where he's going), and unable to help himself. Yet at no point does Hare admit to being in any kind of trouble (or to anything...). He's excited, and only appears helpless in the opinions of others. It's known from interviews that Jeffrey's parents frequently hassled him about his prospects for life after school. "I can't imagine Jeffrey being the kind of guy to openly argue, but rather chew it over in silence and - eventually - decide for himself." He had formulated some embryonic 'life plans', but chose not to explain himself to onlookers, family and friends. Hare never speaks, but sits in the middle of a commotion concerning his fate, caused by others around him and somehow not actually involving Hare himself. He is 'ostensibly motionless', and mute, which "... brings to mind Jeffrey's comment that an old acquaintance of his described him as being 'like wallpaper' and 'highly eccentric' at the same time - a kind of blank, and yet containing a bizarre energy. Hare only appears to be doing nothing, but there's an almighty internal buzz going on: the workings of the imagination." It could be argued that the stern, scowling Owl is a father figure, whereas Kangaroo, the other, more interventionist authority figure of the piece, associated with Owl throughout, could be a mother figure, arguing with Owl about what's best for Hare. "... young Hare can't go with Owl, because he's nodded off in his armchair, he can't go with Kangaroo because he's too big for her pouch, i.e. he's not a child any more, and can't return to the womb. He has to make it alone." I'm unsure how the allegory extends to Newt and Bee, or, for that matter, the optician. Andy proposes Bee as a friend of Hare; that's as good an interpretation as any. The point is that the others know nothing about spectacles i.e. they are ignorant of Hare's needs and personal priorities. Ultimately, that's his business (his own affair) - "it's his journey, and his 'story', after all. Again, imagine a 16-year-old's, "You just don't understand!" - his private, mute dismissal of everyone's 'tempting' ideas. "Because, in the end, Hare can see perfectly well where he's heading" - he has a back-up plan. Coincidentally, Meyers also proposes Owl as a father figure, but only in a sense that fits his spurious grand thesis (that Tull's material 1971-78 form one work): "The Owl is the wise one who hinders the imagination of the poet... the ancestral father. Hare is Jethro Tull questing for vision of spectacles. Kangaroo is the Muse.... This little story actually illustrates the anxiety [Ian] feels in wrestling with the giant dead of his cultural heritage.". Leslie Miller acknowledges that the story of 'The Hare...' was indeed probably thrown in as a comic relief, but is also a fable, in the tradition of Aesop - a morality play with animals symbolising good/bad, foolish/wise, etc. The animals were very foolish to believe the ridiculous Hare. Moral: be wary of fools who are out to trick you, and be careful not to blow a minor issue out of proportion. Michael Dawson interprets the piece as a restatement of the anti-clerical theme of 'My God' and 'Wind-Up'; the spectacles represent vision, in both a literal and a spiritual sense. Hare wisely rejects the conflicting advice of the various 'gurus' or religious leaders, realising that a clear vision is within himself all along, represented by the spare pair of spectacles. Personally, I regard this as a credible interpretation but unlikely to be that intended by the author; I'm unsure whether Jeffrey shared Ian's views of organised religion and would have particularly wished to address the subject. The NarratorThe album liner notes credit John Evan with 'speech'. Many people have understandably taken this as indication that John narrated 'The Hare...'. However, having heard band members speak in interviews, it is clear that the true narrator was Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond, its author. A further source of confusion is the exaggerated Lancashire accent, not apparent in Jeffrey's interviews. This was an affectation, adding to the jokey atmosphere. For a more accurate reflection of Jeffrey's 'real' speaking voice in 1973, listen to 'No Rehearsal' on 'Nightcap' and the '20 Years...' box set - the '...one seat in the circle... passage is spoken by Jeffrey and Ian. The AuthorFew people realise that Jeffrey was the author of 'The Hare...'; Andy suggests that the credit to Ian and John was solely for the music, which had already being played during the Thick As A Brick tour. Most probably, the story was written independently of The Play, possibly without any reference to those lyrics. As Ian said in a 1979 BBC interview: "We decided to put it on film, which meant that we could all go off stage for a glass of beer and a cigarette while this thing showed. So what we did was to make a film: we wrote a little thing around Jeffrey's 'Story Of The Hare Who Lost His Spectacles'...." It's only fair, therefore, to give the final word to Jeffrey; speaking to Dave Rees:
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Love you collages, Love The Hare, love Passion Play. This is pure heaven!!! APP was MY album as a kid. It is total effing genius. Everything about the performance, the album, the chateau tapes. It's all the height of western civilization. Thank you God that Ian lost his marbles and made this magnificent album.
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fuxi ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2476 |
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My, my, what a lot of bad vibes. Someone treats us to his creations and you just have to sneeze all over them. Those collages may not be perfect, but I sure do enjoy them! |
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fuxi ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2476 |
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More bad vibes. I admit there are a few dreary moments on APP (when it's just Ian and his guitar trying to get "lyrical") but there are wonderfully rocking moments too, and the band's playing is superb throughout! |
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John Evans has two speaking parts on the album: 1. "And your little sister's immaculate virginity..." 2. "This is the story of the hare who lost his spectacles (sniff)" That's why. |
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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Does anyone see the irony here?
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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^Little steps at a time, let's start with seeing then move onto the complexities of irony later
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darksideof ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 22 2007 Location: Newark N.J. Status: Offline Points: 2318 |
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Irony? to make fun of it ? I am not sure, but What can you do? well many things.
I must be getting kind of famous because a handful full of people hate me collages and you can't be famous until people seriously hate you.
![]() Should I explain myself Should I express myself? Well, Yes once again.
I can't please everyone. like the frazeI heard somewhere " what might be pure genius or art for might be pure sh*t to others" or something of that sort . you get my point I hope.
Just like a prog rock album or any art form not everyone is gonna embrace it and love it , but some will really hate and puke on it. like Yes' tales, Jethro Tull's A Passion Play, Black Sabbath's Born Again to just mention a few albums that most fans of these bands ignored or hate.
I know for sure that the collages aren't perfect. I even like some more that others and I really like some area within the collages more than other areas but calling perfect? never..and really is perfect in life? God? even God make mistake. His imperfection reviled when HE created us.
I make this collages as tributes of course! and as pure love for the music , nothing else. Every time I start a new one and this one my goal is have fun with it and to try create sort of "new Art "as some fans had called them, as something that they had never seen before. That is quiet a great encouragement and compliment to continue until eventually i will find that there is no fun in creating them. I am not getting rich or I am not hired by anyone to make them. this is just me having fun and hoping I can do for money, but that isn't happing right now! (well I had to admit that I had sold a couple of couples here and there but nothing crazy that I am laughing all the way down to the bank)
I spend countless and countless of hours and hours in creating these collages for nothing in return. I had even gone over 18 hours nonstop and no sleep. A nice compliment is always welcome ( I always do anyway from 100 of fans from around the world.) I always highly appreciated it. seriously when I get them,. I even had received email from actual members of prog bands ( Dave Stewart Canterbury prog scene keyboard player, Hasse Fröberg from the Flower Kings) which made me feel so honor and appreciated to read their encouraging words.
So to finish this long expression. I not that bother with the "bad Vibe" thanks to all the great and joyful vibe that the collages brings to the forum and the Site every-time I finish a new one.. well thanks to that PA header is one of my collages. They might not be that horrendously ugly.
![]() OH I almost forgot to mention! oh my!
I do make a couple of dollars here and there form my Gentle Giant Collage which is featured at the "official." Gentle Giant Website. it is available on a shirt
check it out and to all my fans I will appreciate your support.
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darksideof ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 22 2007 Location: Newark N.J. Status: Offline Points: 2318 |
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thank you so much I must overlooked your comment as I was trying to reply to all the other ones.
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Oh, get on with the love fest already. And on second thought, what does the hare have to do with TAAB (outside of the one colleague of this forum who wrongly asserts that APP was TAAB 2). The collage is a desicration (forgive my spelling) of the artwork for TAAB. And as previously stated, those Chateau Tapes were crap. APP was special for me, too! Next time, be a little more inventive, huh?
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