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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Topic: Seinfeld Poll - most despicable main character? Posted: October 26 2010 at 20:48 |
manofmystery wrote:
I'm telling you people: Elaine is pure evil |
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Theriver
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Posted: October 26 2010 at 15:28 |
Went for George even tough he makes me laugh so much.
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manofmystery
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Posted: October 18 2010 at 00:44 |
I'm telling you people: Elaine is pure evil
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cyclysm748
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Posted: October 18 2010 at 00:14 |
George wins this for me. Every episode is about him trying to get out of his mistakes in the sneakiest most disgraceful way possible.
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Chela
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Posted: October 12 2010 at 16:12 |
Believe it or not, George isn't at home.
Please leave a message at the beep.
I must be out, or I'd pick up the phone. Where could I be??? Believe it or not, I'm not home!
Although that was cute...
George gets it  , or...  ?
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Synchestra
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Posted: October 03 2010 at 04:50 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
The few times I watched the show, I didn't find any of the characters particularly appealing. |
That's sort of the point  the fact the show was that successful in spite of (or perhaps because of) the characters all being played in a way where you won't pity them at all is what made the show so great. And Curb Your Enthusiasm was just as good IMO (and I can't remember entirely, but I think they actually referanced the racism thing in an episode, something about Kramer wearing a hat... )
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rushfan4
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Posted: September 29 2010 at 17:35 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
The few times I watched the show, I didn't find any of the characters particularly appealing. |
I'm glad I am not the only one.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 29 2010 at 17:34 |
The few times I watched the show, I didn't find any of the characters particularly appealing.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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MFP
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Posted: September 29 2010 at 17:25 |
Georgie-boy.
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Stooge
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Posted: September 29 2010 at 16:58 |
If I knew those characters in real life, I'd probably be bothered the most by Kramer. His character is a good guy at heart, but I couldn't stand having someone popping in and out of my home and taking whatever he wants out of my fridge or misplacing my belongings. I'm a fairly organized guy, and I appreciate my privacy. I'd say Jerry was right for taking his keys back, although it made things complicated. I have a twin brother, and Kramer would be one of those people who could know us both for years and still mix us up regularly. He kept calling Susan "Lilly". "Poor Lilly ...."  Kramer obviously makes me laugh, but I relate more to the other 3 characters. I won't vote for Kramer though, because he's technically not the worst human being of the 4. Tough call. Let me think about it.
Edited by Stooge - September 29 2010 at 17:00
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Tapfret
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Deleuze
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Posted: September 25 2010 at 23:13 |
George, but only cause it's tough love between us 
Edited by Deleuze - September 25 2010 at 23:14
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Posted: September 22 2010 at 06:02 |
The T wrote:
Let's remember when someone yelled fire and he pushed the old lady aside as he was running away from danger.. |
Who did that? I can't remember  I voted George btw
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JLocke
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Posted: September 22 2010 at 00:42 |
Atavachron wrote:
George is winning in a landslide? Really? 
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I don't get it, either. I've always liked George.
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Atavachron
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Posted: September 22 2010 at 00:09 |
George is winning in a landslide? Really?
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Mr Greeen Genes
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Posted: September 22 2010 at 00:03 |
manofmystery wrote:
George is just doing what a short, stocky, slow-witted, bald man has to do to survive. |
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JLocke
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Posted: September 20 2010 at 22:13 |
thellama73 wrote:
JLocke wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
You didn't even read the hypothetical because you messed up in your response. I won't hijack this poor guys poll any further.....you're free to your definitions.
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Whoops, my bad. I'll address it correctly, now.
The short answer: yes. The long answer: it's complicated.
If Richards still made it personal first in your example, and if he were gay, it's possible the guys would have merely been trying to hurt him back as a reaction. It still wouldn't be right of them, but it would a bit more understandable. But by all logic, if Richards were gay, he wouldn't be spouting off racial slurs of any kind, because he himself would already be part of one of a minory and most likely knows how it feels. It would stop him, perhaps. But let's say that did happen . . . even if it would have been as a reaction, anybody who calls someone else a name based on that person's ethnicity, sexual orientation, mental defect, etc. is being a bigot. Of course, they could be joking, but in this situation, they wouldn't be, clearly.
In the actual case with Richards, it's not complicated at all. We know all the variables and we know exactly what was said and for what reason. Richards was being heckled, so he decided to say something racist and cruel-hearted in return. Apparently he thought that was the appropriate, even-handed response. The first thing he jumped on was the color of their skin, which as far as I can see has nothing to do with how they were behaving. Had they been white hecklers, Richards probably would have still gotten angry, but he would have called them 'idiots' or some other name that is non-race-specific. Why? Because he is white, too. It is painfully clear that Richards said what he did because he is white, and they were black. Their heckling no longer became the issue, and he made it about race. He did. Not them. Why should I assume anything other than what is glaring obvious about this man?
That's all I'm saying. He's a funny guy, but he did something very disgusting in my eyes. But you know what? He has the right to say or think whatever he wants about what any type of people he wants. And I'll support his right to say racist things, no matter how hurtful they might be. Because they ARE just words, not actions. It's also The Laugh Factory's right to keep him from coming back there if they want. And I think they are right for doing so.
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Minority groups are not racist against other minority groups? Hahahahahahahaha!
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Never in my life have I ever said anything as idiotic as ''minority groups are not racist against other minority groups.''
Plenty of black people keep gay folks down all the time. But is that logical? Nope.
What I said: ''But by all logic, if Richards were gay, he wouldn't be spouting off racial slurs of any kind, because he himself would already be part of one of a minory and most likely knows how it feels.'' I did not say it was impossible, and I still considered the possibility of it happening and went on with my post.
And from what I've seen, not a single gay person has ever spoken against black people in this way. Not once have I seen that. I'm sure it has happened, but not enough to be all that common. But the reverse seems to happen very often. Plenty of black christians push to keep gay marriage unrecognized. I'm not about go into THAT, however. Talk about hijacking a thread. 
Edited by JLocke - September 20 2010 at 22:16
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thellama73
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Posted: September 20 2010 at 22:08 |
JLocke wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
You didn't even read the hypothetical because you messed up in your response. I won't hijack this poor guys poll any further.....you're free to your definitions.
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Whoops, my bad. I'll address it correctly, now.
The short answer: yes. The long answer: it's complicated.
If Richards still made it personal first in your example, and if he were gay, it's possible the guys would have merely been trying to hurt him back as a reaction. It still wouldn't be right of them, but it would a bit more understandable. But by all logic, if Richards were gay, he wouldn't be spouting off racial slurs of any kind, because he himself would already be part of one of a minory and most likely knows how it feels. It would stop him, perhaps. But let's say that did happen . . . even if it would have been as a reaction, anybody who calls someone else a name based on that person's ethnicity, sexual orientation, mental defect, etc. is being a bigot. Of course, they could be joking, but in this situation, they wouldn't be, clearly.
In the actual case with Richards, it's not complicated at all. We know all the variables and we know exactly what was said and for what reason. Richards was being heckled, so he decided to say something racist and cruel-hearted in return. Apparently he thought that was the appropriate, even-handed response. The first thing he jumped on was the color of their skin, which as far as I can see has nothing to do with how they were behaving. Had they been white hecklers, Richards probably would have still gotten angry, but he would have called them 'idiots' or some other name that is non-race-specific. Why? Because he is white, too. It is painfully clear that Richards said what he did because he is white, and they were black. Their heckling no longer became the issue, and he made it about race. He did. Not them. Why should I assume anything other than what is glaring obvious about this man?
That's all I'm saying. He's a funny guy, but he did something very disgusting in my eyes. But you know what? He has the right to say or think whatever he wants about what any type of people he wants. And I'll support his right to say racist things, no matter how hurtful they might be. Because they ARE just words, not actions. It's also The Laugh Factory's right to keep him from coming back there if they want. And I think they are right for doing so.
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Minority groups are not racist against other minority groups? Hahahahahahahaha!
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JLocke
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Posted: September 20 2010 at 21:58 |
Finnforest wrote:
You didn't even read the hypothetical because you messed up in your response. I won't hijack this poor guys poll any further.....you're free to your definitions.
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Whoops, my bad. I'll address it correctly, now.
The short answer: yes. The long answer: it's complicated.
If Richards still made it personal first in your example, and if he were gay, it's possible the guys would have merely been trying to hurt him back as a reaction. It still wouldn't be right of them, but it would a bit more understandable. But by all logic, if Richards were gay, he wouldn't be spouting off racial slurs of any kind, because he himself would already be part of one of a minory and most likely knows how it feels. It would stop him, perhaps. But let's say that did happen . . . even if it would have been as a reaction, anybody who calls someone else a name based on that person's ethnicity, sexual orientation, mental defect, etc. is being a bigot. Of course, they could be joking, but in this situation, they wouldn't be, clearly.
In the actual case with Richards, it's not complicated at all. We know all the variables and we know exactly what was said and for what reason. Richards was being heckled, so he decided to say something racist and cruel-hearted in return. Apparently he thought that was the appropriate, even-handed response. The first thing he jumped on was the color of their skin, which as far as I can see has nothing to do with how they were behaving. Had they been white hecklers, Richards probably would have still gotten angry, but he would have called them 'idiots' or some other name that is non-race-specific. Why? Because he is white, too. It is painfully clear that Richards said what he did because he is white, and they were black. Their heckling no longer became the issue, and he made it about race. He did. Not them. Why should I assume anything other than what is glaring obvious about this man?
That's all I'm saying. He's a funny guy, but he did something very disgusting in my eyes. But you know what? He has the right to say or think whatever he wants about what any type of people he wants. And I'll support his right to say racist things, no matter how hurtful they might be. Because they ARE just words, not actions. It's also The Laugh Factory's right to keep him from coming back there if they want. And I think they are right for doing so.
Edited by JLocke - September 20 2010 at 22:07
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Finnforest
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Posted: September 20 2010 at 21:51 |
You didn't even read the hypothetical because you messed up in your response. I won't hijack this poor guys poll any further.....you're free to your definitions.
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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