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someone_else 
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 02:43 |
A discussion between two fellow countrymen in Gandalff's negative poll about Genesis members kindled my interest in how PA members think about these two drummers:
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friso wrote:
I haven't been smoking at all. Compared to, let's say; Gentle Giant, Pink Floyd, Magma, King Crimson and even Yes, Genesis has by far the worst sounding drums. They completely destroy the sound of their recordings. This is due to the bad recording for which I blame Collins, since his predecessor had a fine recording on Trespass. |
Say whatever you want about the sound, but at least Phil can play drums at all, unlike the boring stuff you find on most Pink Floyd albums. |
This poll concerns just their drumming. Be welcome to tell me whom you prefer (and why).
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 02:50 |
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Well, A TRICK OF THE TAIL was the first Genesis album where the drums sounded as they should - but was Collins really to blame for earlier weaknesses?
Nick Mason has admitted, I believe, that he's only a mediocre player.
Finally, you only need to listen to Phil's playing on SECONDS OUT, with Brand X, and for the likes of John Cale and John Martyn, to know that he once was a very fine drummer.
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 02:54 |
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Mason is a mediocre player compared, but at least he wasn't responsible for Invisible Touch.
I actually do like Mason's drumming, it fits with much of PF's music. Collins has never really done much for me as a drummer (although he is a better drummer than Mason), I've never really enjoyed his work that much.
Edited by Any Colour You Like - September 07 2010 at 03:02
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 02:55 |
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i dont know about collins but i believe that nick ruined the whole pf band
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 02:59 |
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Phil Collins is one of the best drummers alive. Nick Mason...is a drummer.
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 03:57 |
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No contest. Listen to Genesis Live and tell me that isn't one of the best performances by a prog drummer.
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 03:59 |
fuxi wrote:
Well, A TRICK OF THE TAIL was the first Genesis album where the drums sounded as they should - but was Collins really to blame for earlier weaknesses?
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Actually I like the drum sounds on SEBTP and LLDOB. Neither are particularly "true to life" I suppose but they still sound good. As for earlier albums,  .
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 04:03 |
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by miles Phil !!!
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fuxi
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 04:06 |
chopper wrote:
fuxi wrote:
Well, A TRICK OF THE TAIL was the first Genesis album where the drums sounded as they should - but was Collins really to blame for earlier weaknesses? . |
Actually I like the drum sounds on SEBTP and LLDOB. Neither are particularly "true to life" I suppose but they still sound good. As for earlier albums, . |
As a matter of fact, I agree! I was just thinking of what Armando Gallo (the Italian Genesis expert) said when TRICK appeared: "At last you can hear the drums!" (The irony being, of course, that as Phil's solo career developed, we all got to hear his drums FAR TOO WELL!  )
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 04:32 |
Phil Collins is probably more skilled as drummer, he sings and has a good voice. But I like that metronome with moustaches more. I think I prefer Ringo Starr to Phil Collins, too.
Of course if we are speaking of "drumming only" Phil is the best of those three.
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 04:47 |
Both absolute genius drummers in their day. Mason could play totally random riffs, Collins was truly innovative and at his prime one of the best in the world. You need to compare them in their prime not twilight years  Not that Neil Peart is losing his grip - he is a freak of nature!.
Edited by Chris S - September 07 2010 at 04:48
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progkidjoel
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 04:56 |
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Definitely Phil.
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 05:02 |
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Mr Collins.
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 05:04 |
I completely can't understand so (trendy?) negative comments of Phil Collins here. He was (is?) a very good drummer with unquestionable 'feeling' and doesn't matter if somebody likes him or not - he is undeniable part of one of the greatest bands ever (responsible for new directions in its style - not ALL of them negative) and prog music at all.
Fro the other side, I've never regarded Nick as an unique technician, but I like his drumming.
A vote for Phil.
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 05:16 |
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I think that even the veritable Mr Mason would vote for Phil in this poll. Mason was always very honest about his limitations as a musician, and recall him actually being replaced by session drummers on The Wall & The Final Cut on tracks that called for different signatures - that certainly never happened to Collins.
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 05:40 |
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The Artful Dodger.
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 05:58 |
zbida wrote:
I completely can't understand so (trendy?) negative comments of Phil Collins here. He was (is?) a very good drummer with unquestionable 'feeling' and doesn't matter if somebody likes him or not - he is undeniable part of one of the greatest bands ever (responsible for new directions in its style - not ALL of them negative) and prog music at all.
Fro the other side, I've never regarded Nick as an unique technician, but I like his drumming.
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Having expressed a negative comment, let me clarify: I don't have anything against Phil Collins as drummer. He's surely more skilled than Mason. It's that I don't like his solo works at all and I barely like Genesis. Mason gives me more emotions and is perfect for Pink Floyd. I don't think Pink Floyd would have been the same with a different drummer, even a more skilled one.
If the post is about skill, there's no discussion, instead. Phil Collins is a drummer, Mason plays drums.
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 06:34 |
I like Nick Mason, but this is like asking which is better: a nickel or a suitcase full of hundred-dollar-bills. Collins by an immeasurable distance! 
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 06:40 |
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i dont know about collins but i believe that nick ruined the whole pf band |
I don't think that Nick Mason ruined anything at all. I have been a Pink Floyd fan since 1972 and I can't hear anything on their albums that might make me think so. Nevertheless, I think that Phil Collins is the most skilled of these two drummers and therefore I abandon my default behaviour of voting for Pink Floyd in this poll.
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Posted: September 07 2010 at 06:47 |
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Nick Mason is a perfect drummer for Pink Floyd- he doesn't choke the music and allows it to breathe (no pun intended).
Phil Collins is a more dynamic drummer, and I think fits Genesis well both as a drummer and vocalist (up until Duke).
No vote.
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