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Paravion
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 01 2010 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 470 |
Topic: Is it prog? Posted: August 31 2010 at 08:42 |
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Thank you for your response.
A doomsday poem? This perhaps better exemplifies why I don't like that particular phrase. It's of course all a matter of taste - and I'm of the 'less is more' school and in pop/rock lyrics, overly poetic ambitions and 'grandeur' imagery turns me off. Also I feel that familiar phrases generally do have more poetic potential, and if you want to meddle with reality the way you describe, and for some strange reason would want to meet my standards, I'd suggest more clarity in imagery mediated through familiar language-use. Remember - I like traditional folk music.
That is quite possibly true. But in the academic tradition where I'm 'brought up' (that be cognitive & functional linguistics), one distinguishes between two models of representing and categorizing reality; the folk model and the scientific/objective model of categorization. According to the folk model, the proto-typical semantics of the verb 'fall' would include rapid movement of the subject and a location where the subject falls upon. I wouldn't question that astrologers use another sense of the verb in their descriptions of the objective reality. But, again, according to my taste language-use in pop/rock lyrics should reflect the folk model more than the scientific model of categorization.
thx. Actually, the reason for my reappearance on PA was to practise my writing skills in English, and not because I have anything to say really :). I don't like prog much, only listen to it for nostalgic reasons once in a while. Do you speak Danish at all?
Reminds me of the magnificent folk-album by the Famous Jug Band (Sunshine Possibilities) The title-track is a little song about what wonders will come "if we follow all the possibilities that the sun can bring". I couldn't find that, but here's is another great song in which the conclusion is "The sun is in the sky. That is the main thing!." One more thing. About being a nice guy or not. I don't make any judgements of that sort. Itchy seems nice and polite and the response is much appreciated. That I think the song sux has absolutely nothing to do with any evaluation of personality characteristics. Edited by Paravion - August 31 2010 at 08:58 |
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Snow Dog
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
Posted: August 31 2010 at 04:43 | |||
Hi Mark
Thanks for returning to the Forum. For a moment I thought you wouldn't be back. About the song. For me there are shades of Porcupine Tree about it but on that song alone I wouldn't consider it as Prog Rock. As for the "hook"...it goes on a little too long for my tastes and I get tired of it. Otherwise a perfectly good song. |
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Itchy
Forum Newbie Joined: August 24 2010 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2 |
Posted: August 30 2010 at 23:03 | |||
Hi all, thanks so very much for all your comments/feedback. Much appreciated.
At this present time the song has been listened to 2293 times on myspace, streamed 735 times on Napster and an indetrminate amount of times on several other sites (accounting systems for them doesn't come through just yet).
The video has been viewed 301 times for version 2 (which is the version I linked you all to) and 126 views on version 1 which was a different edit - now removed because of quality/edit issues. Generally the feedback is highly positive. Only 2 people (Paravion here and someone else on Facebook) made any remarks that would be considered 'Rude' as such, but I sincerely hold no ill feelings towards either...
As I think I said in my original post - this song isn't really expressive of my bands overall sound, I'll try and get some audio of our original style for you to listen to and that would allow a fairer assessment of the band. Much of the material we use now is much more 'mainstream', but it is still within the identity of the band and seems to have been a natural progression for our writing.
We have spent 2 years re-evaluating, rewriting and reducing our sound. Our producer often comments on the epic scale of our tracks and many of them were of a length that was sometimes unbearable. 'Rapture' is one of our first songs that bridges the gap between our old and new format. It has a structure of Verse to Pre Chorus to Chorus, much more in line with commercial sounds.
The song can be interpreted in a few different ways:
Paravion, you commented on some of the lyrics - allow me to explain: Mentioning about 'Waiting for the sun to fall down' and commenting that 'Sun set' would be much more approachable - writing the song, I felt that the sun falling down would be a much more sudden and unnatural event than the gradual sunset which seems to include the possibilty of a sunrise... The general tone of the song I want to achieve is that the centre of someones universe is coming crashing down without hope. A sunset, I feel, would be more cliche and loses poetic potential as it is a commonly used phrase. Imagine if Shakespeare wrote 'Should I?' instead of 'To be or not to be?' - I'm sure his work would have not been as thought provoking...
'Fading like the light, faster than the speed of night' - is just a play on the two phrases that it derives from. Night doesn't fall fast at all, it's just saying that 'darkness' (as an ending or finality) is occurring much faster than it should be...
'Just a little bit, one more little bit, just a little bit more life' is just what is known as a 'Hook' in writing terms... It's one of those little bits of a song that stick in your head because it is repeated so often, though typically the 'hook' tends to be the chorus of a song when it is placed at the start of a song. I'm just gratified that whenever people meet up with me - that's the part of the song that they sing at me.
As for mentioning that the sun is an entity which is incapable of 'falling' - you may wish to re-evaluate that thought... ALL gravitational and attractional effect is based on the idea of 'Falling'. The Moons orbit around the Earth is actually described as a fall, as the Earth around the Sun is a all too. The Sun 'Falls' around the gravitational centre of the galaxy and so on... BUT - it's my brother that is an Astronomer, I studied Psychology instead and I only understand it from it's most popular sense.
Thank you all so very much though, I will check out some other posts here cos I like a bit of Floyd and Dream Theater.
You all seem very nice (even you Paravion)
Regards,
Mark & Elysium
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: August 30 2010 at 18:35 | |||
Hey, you write better English than I do Denmarkish. |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Chris S
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Posted: August 30 2010 at 18:25 | |||
I always find it amazing people get so hung up on exact phrases and wording on forums, like we have a teacher looking over our shoulder. Politeness is another issue and I agree with that.
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A Person
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Posted: August 30 2010 at 16:28 | |||
I think the proper way to say it would be "is it teh sux? No".
I liked the song, btw. Edited by A Person - August 30 2010 at 16:29 |
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Paravion
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 01 2010 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 470 |
Posted: August 30 2010 at 16:20 | |||
..that was embarrassing..
Actually I just left out the indefinite article, possibly because we don't use those with the word for 'custom' (vane) in the equivalent Danish phrase. "It's not a custom in English" was the intended form. But I think 'not customary' is even better though..
Edited by Paravion - August 30 2010 at 16:30 |
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Epignosis
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Posted: August 30 2010 at 16:11 | |||
Neither is "custom in English." customary in English |
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Paravion
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 01 2010 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 470 |
Posted: August 30 2010 at 16:06 | |||
You mark present-tense twice. That's not custom in English
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Epignosis
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Posted: August 30 2010 at 15:54 | |||
Is it prog? Absolutely not.
Does it "sux?" Absolutely not. It is an excellent song. I quite like the sound of your band- the tone of the vocalist, the lead guitar, and even the unobtrusive drums. Great stuff! Now I was disappointed that it wasn't a cover of Blondie, but what are you gonna do... |
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Paravion
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 01 2010 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 470 |
Posted: August 30 2010 at 15:10 | |||
I'm not not Paravion. But Paravion is certainly (an thankfully) not a direct reflection of Jeppe (that be my real name).
Also I'm not making up excuses to be rude - I sincerely never had intentions of that sort. The way I see it, an expression's 'rudeness-force' is very sensitive to difference in scenarios or context. This scenario: Musician asks for opinion in a public forum Someone who is completely unknown to the musician and who appears in 'disguise' writes: 'it sux'. By my standards, this particular context undermines and tones down the rudeness force. (x was actually applied to tone down the rudeness force even more) If A musician I know asks me for an opinion IRL, I would never dream of saying "i think it sux". (even if I do - and sometimes I genuinely do) There is a very, very distinct difference between these two scenarios.
Edited by Paravion - August 30 2010 at 15:15 |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: August 30 2010 at 14:48 | |||
@Paravion
You seem to believe that because this communication via the internet it's ok to be rude or that it doesn't matter. You also said that Paravion is not actually you but an online persona. I think in reality it does matter how you behave and when I address Paravion I am talking to you......otherwise wahts the point? Thinlk I got lost here somewhere. Don't mean to sound preachy.
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Paravion
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 01 2010 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 470 |
Posted: August 30 2010 at 14:37 | |||
^I'll adapt it in my vocabulary of English then
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: August 30 2010 at 14:29 | |||
My Grandmother on my Dad's side always said you should say "I don't care for it". Granted some things genuinely sux.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Paravion
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 01 2010 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 470 |
Posted: August 30 2010 at 14:25 | |||
This is the first time I've been accused of displaying anything near 'blatant rudeness' ever.
I sincerely don't hope OP is so faint of heart that my initial remark 'got to him'. It's a series of letters on a screen communicating a message from an anonymous internet-character. But, surely - for any offensive force my remarks may have had - I apologize. I must say that I am a little surprised by the reactions though.
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Easy Livin
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Posted: August 30 2010 at 12:49 | |||
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Paravion
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 01 2010 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 470 |
Posted: August 30 2010 at 10:04 | |||
It does, but it's not a particularly good pop/rock song. The lyrics and imagery (as well as the instrumentation, vocals and structure) are cliché and mostly not supported by clarity and originality in expression. Some phrases seem forced: "waiting for the sun to fall down" This phrase 'communicates' an idea of the sun as an entity capable of 'falling'. What's wrong the the expression "the sun sets" - it sounds much better and has generally more poetic potential. "fading like a ligth faster than the speed of night" Here it seems like the sentence-final 'night' is placed either in an attempt to 'creatively' rewrite the well-know phrase "the speed of light" - or because it just has to rhyme with light. In both cases - not a very good attempt. "just a little bit one more little bit. just a little bit more life" Is not a stanza, that is so good that it has to be repeated numerous times during the end of the song. I fully support Logan's advise. |
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Logan
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Posted: August 29 2010 at 15:48 | |||
I don't hear Prog in that youtube clip. It lacks the twists and turns, contrast, experimentation, and eclectic genre-bending qualities of much prog. The structure, and instrumentation, seem mainstream to me. To me it sounds like pretty traditional song-based pop rock music, which is not a bad thing especially if your aim is not so much to challenge audiences as it is to be commercially viable). I think it's good, though I agree that the Bryan Adamsish vocals sound pictch/ off-key at times, but then I've heard quite a few popular singers who hardly sing pitch-perfect, so those dirty and raspy/ gruff vocals is not necessarily a bad thing.
By the way, have you done any pure instrumentals that you can share? Sometimes those have more of a prog feel. Or you try something like this just for fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3l-GVBF4v4 Edited by Logan - August 29 2010 at 15:53 |
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Chris S
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Posted: August 29 2010 at 15:26 | |||
Musically very nice, great groove but based on that track, not prog.
And if you want some more true criticism, the vocals were a bit pitchy at times. Still I would pay to see you guys gig anytime and wish you all the best!
Thanks for sharing.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 29 2010 at 13:18 | |||
The post starter asked us for an opinion Triceratopsoil, so we have to say if this song fits our concept of Prog.
That, and being good is a different issue, I believe is a good song but not Prog.
Iván
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