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    Posted: August 29 2010 at 10:15
Hi all, my band has been compared to 'Porcupine Tree' - but I don't quite see it myself...
 
We have been told that we are very much a prog band, but the way we see it is that we just play the music we like to hear. We've got some tracks that you can preview on iTunes and Amazon, but our signature tune is 'Rapture' which you can listen to for free on our music video...
 
 
We would love any feedback, especially if you can help classify our music genre.
 
Much love.
 
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I vote: 'Not prog'

Actually the song sux.
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Originally posted by Paravion Paravion wrote:

I vote: 'Not prog'

Actually the song sux.

Totally uncalled for comment.
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Not quite prog but a very mellow tune. Lyrics are quite nice and vocals are excellent if you ask me.

Nice song for a good cause, keep up the good workThumbs Up

Final Diagnosis: "Not Prog"
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Paravion Paravion wrote:

I vote: 'Not prog'

Actually the song sux.

Totally uncalled for comment.
Originally posted by OP OP wrote:

We would love any feedback
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2010 at 12:42
Originally posted by Paravion Paravion wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Paravion Paravion wrote:

I vote: 'Not prog'

Actually the song sux.

Totally uncalled for comment.
Originally posted by OP OP wrote:

We would love any feedback
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Of course...an open invitation to be offensive. How stupid of me.

I'm absolutely sure that " I didn't like the song much" would somehow be a little better though.
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Points: 470 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2010 at 12:57
I'm really not out to offend anyone. Surely some people must dislike the song - I'm one of them. Paravion isn't a 'real' person - just some internet character or board-persona - whose outbursts don't (or shouldn't) bear any offensive force.  
OP plays in a band - he should be used to direct, unfiltered and biased criticism.

Really, I'm a nice guy..


Edited by Paravion - August 29 2010 at 13:08
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Hi Itchy,
 
I believe the song is more oriented towards Alternative/Indie, with vocals that remind me of Bryan Adams but better. I like the interplay of acoustic guitar with electric instruments, not my cup of tea but can't deny sounds pretty good.
 
And about being Prog or sounding like Porcupine Tree, I don't believe so, but as I always say, Pog is not a synonym of good, only a genre.
 
BTW: I don't like Porcupine Tree at all. so not being negative about the sound of your song. Wink
 
Good cause, go on
 
Iván.


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Who the f**k gets to decide what "prog" means?

p.s. no I didn't listen to the song
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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Who the f**k gets to decide what "prog" means?

p.s. no I didn't listen to the song
 
The post starter asked us for an opinion Triceratopsoil, so we have to say if this song fits our concept of Prog.
 
That, and being good is a different issue, I believe is a good song but not Prog.
 
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Musically very nice, great groove but based on that track, not prog.
 
And if you want some more true criticism, the vocals were a bit pitchy at times. Still I would pay to see you guys gig anytime and wish you all the best!
 
Thanks for sharing.
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Points: 35886 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2010 at 15:48
I don't hear Prog in that youtube clip.  It lacks the twists and turns, contrast, experimentation, and eclectic genre-bending qualities of much  prog.  The structure, and instrumentation, seem mainstream to me.  To me it sounds like pretty traditional song-based pop rock music, which is not a bad thing especially if your aim is not so much to challenge audiences as it is to be commercially viable).  I think it's good, though I agree that the Bryan Adamsish vocals sound pictch/ off-key at times, but then I've heard quite a few popular singers who hardly sing pitch-perfect, so those dirty and raspy/ gruff  vocals is not necessarily a bad thing.

By the way, have you done any pure instrumentals that you can share?  Sometimes those have more of a prog feel. Or you try something like this just for fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3l-GVBF4v4


Edited by Logan - August 29 2010 at 15:53
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

The structure, and instrumentation, seem mainstream to me.  To me it sounds like pretty traditional song-based pop rock music,


It does, but it's not a particularly good pop/rock song.

The lyrics and imagery (as well as the instrumentation, vocals and structure) are cliché and mostly not supported by clarity and originality in expression.

Some phrases seem forced:

"waiting for the sun to fall down"

This phrase 'communicates' an idea of the sun as an entity capable of 'falling'. What's wrong the the expression "the sun sets" - it sounds much better and has generally more poetic potential.

"fading like a ligth faster than the speed of night"

Here it seems like the sentence-final 'night' is placed either in an attempt to 'creatively' rewrite the well-know phrase "the speed of light" - or because it just has to rhyme with light. In both cases - not a very good attempt.

"just a little bit
one more little bit.
just a little bit more life"

Is not a stanza, that is so good that it has to be repeated numerous times during the end of the song.

I fully support Logan's advise.
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 12:49
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Paravion Paravion wrote:

I vote: 'Not prog'

Actually the song sux.

Totally uncalled for comment.
Spot on SD. Our rules ask that members are respectful towards each other. Constructve criticism is one thing, blatant rudeness for the sake of it is another.
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Points: 470 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 14:25
This is the first time I've been accused of displaying anything near 'blatant rudeness' ever.

I sincerely don't hope OP is so faint of heart that my initial remark 'got to him'. It's a series of letters on a screen communicating a message from an anonymous internet-character. But, surely - for any offensive force my remarks may have had - I apologize.    

I must say that I am a little surprised by the reactions though.     
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 14:29
My Grandmother on my Dad's side always said you should say "I don't care for it".  Granted some things genuinely sux.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Points: 470 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 14:37
^I'll adapt it in my vocabulary of English thenSmile
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@Paravion

You seem to believe that because this communication via the internet it's ok to be rude or that it doesn't matter. You also said that Paravion is not actually you but an online persona. 

I think in reality it does matter how you behave and when I address Paravion I am talking to you......otherwise wahts the point?

Thinlk I got lost here somewhere. Don't mean to sound preachy.LOL
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I'm not not Paravion. But Paravion is certainly (an thankfully) not a direct reflection of Jeppe (that be my real name). 

Also I'm not making up excuses to be rude - I sincerely never had intentions of that sort. 

The way I see it, an expression's 'rudeness-force' is very sensitive to difference in scenarios or context.

This scenario:
Musician asks for opinion in a public forum
Someone who is completely unknown to the musician and who appears in 'disguise' writes: 'it sux'. 

By my standards, this particular context undermines and tones down the rudeness force. (x was actually applied to tone down the rudeness force even more)
 
If
A musician I know asks me for an opinion IRL, I would never dream of saying "i think it sux". (even if I do - and sometimes I genuinely do)

There is a very, very distinct difference between these two scenarios.   


Edited by Paravion - August 30 2010 at 15:15
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Points: 32524 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 15:54
Is it prog?  Absolutely not.

Does it "sux?"  Absolutely not.

It is an excellent song.  I quite like the sound of your band- the tone of the vocalist, the lead guitar, and even the unobtrusive drums.  Great stuff!  Clap

Now I was disappointed that it wasn't a cover of Blondie, but what are you gonna do...Wink
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