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Points: 8368 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 13:30
Sigur ros? Admittedly, I haven't heard their entire output, but there's nothing on () even remotely resembling rock. I would make the same argument for GYBE

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This is the least rocking Post Rock track I have heard, although there are parts on the album that are definitely rock:
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Points: 22989 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 13:41
I don't agree about neither Sigur Ros nor GY!BE (there's plenty of rock in them, especially in their "canonical" works), but anyway, two ain't many... I do know a few such cases (like EXHAUST or SET FIRE TO FLAMES) , but they are projects of the same guys from the major bands in the genre and aesthetically they explore further some of the more experimental ideas of post-rock, so their presence here in Post Rock is perfectly justified. IMO post rock has defined one of the purest (if not "the most pure") and most characteristic rock sounds of our time.

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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:


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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

I don't agree about neither Sigur Ros nor GY!BE (there's plenty of rock in them, especially in their "canonical" works), but anyway, two ain't many... I do know a few such cases (like EXHAUST or SET FIRE TO FLAMES) , but they are projects of the same guys from the major bands in the genre and aesthetically they explore further some of the more experimental ideas of post-rock, so their presence here in Post Rock is perfectly justified. IMO post rock has defined one of the purest (if not "the most pure") and most characteristic rocks sounds of our time.

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Well, it doesn't sound like rock to me, but I'll concede that I don't know much about post-rock, because I stopped listening after disliking the handful of albums I've heard.

For that matter, Univers Zero doesn't strike me as being any more rock than Penguin Cafe Orchestra.


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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

. . . GYBE

You mean GY!BE. Wink

And while I'm not sure if those examples are ones I agree with, I do agree with your point in that plenty of artists here already don't have much rock in them at all, yet have been added sue to status or popularity as well as being undeniably progressive in approach. I think the less popular bands with just as much prog merit should be included, as well. 

It's not an X then Y argument, really it isn't. I just think we need to to stop being so concerned about the 'genre' of Prog and more appreciative of true progressive music acts such as PCO. 
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For that matter, Univers Zero doesn't strike me as being any more rock than Penguin Cafe Orchestra.

I'll agree with that. In fact, a very large majority of RIO/Avant-Prog acts on here have almost nothing to do with 'rock', yet you'll still hear the ZART team spouting off about why they are so stingy in their inclusions, because so many of the suggested bands are indeed Avant-Garde, but they aren't 'rock'. Well, if that were true, half the bands considered part of that banner wouldn't have made it on here to begin with. 

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@llama: agreed about chamber "rock" and some avant-prog. In that case and in electronic prog's case too, it's always music pushing the limits of what initially (sometimes very far behind) was a rock aesthetic. So the lack of rock elements is not necessarily an exclusion factor when concerning PA. BTW I should check these guys... And maybe if Hugues and Chris have suggested prog-related, maybe they could be convinced to support the band for the Admins' evaluation?

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^ Like I said, I'll support them too, but since I'm not a member of any genre team, I'm not sure if my vote will amount to much. Embarrassed
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bump.

Anyone SC willing to get behind these guys, yet?
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Points: 37232 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2010 at 20:11
Though I'm not in team work anymore, I'll give this a listen later.

And I guess rock, like prog, can be in the ear of the behearer:
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Points: 37232 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2010 at 20:25
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

bump.

Anyone SC willing to get behind these guys, yet?


We should probably exhaust the Prog route first, and what would really help is sufficient and appropriate samples (and informative guidance to the music to help others with evaluation).  I see that there's music on youtube.

If going PR, then one has to show that not only was it influenced by Prog, but that it influenced Prog.  A strong case must me presented when approaching admin for PR.  How does it meet the various PR criteria? I'd be willing to back someone up if a strong case is made, and someone is willing to prepare the addition. 

What would be the most appropriate albums to listen to? I'm hearing some electronicish music in youtube that I think would be fine for PA.


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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Though I'm not in team work anymore, I'll give this a listen later.

And I guess rock, like prog, can be in the ear of the behearer:





^ Indeed. Love Univers Zero, by the way. Clap


What I really like about Penguin Cafe is that they do have a few traditional 'rock' songs, but they are not limited to just that. They take influences from so many different sources, and are somehow able to sound like all and none of those things. At least to me. It may not always sound like what 'Prog' or 'Rock' is apparently supposed to sound like around here, but it certainly isn't regressive music by any means. 

Mainly, I think this band will appeal to people who enjoy Prog Rock. Why? Because they come from a very similar mindset: raid the musical world for inspiration, then mold it all into something entirely your own. Smile The more people made aware of this band, the better. 

My opinion, of course. Nothing more. Wink


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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

bump.

Anyone SC willing to get behind these guys, yet?


We should probably exhaust the Prog route first, and what would really help is sufficient and appropriate samples (and informative guidance to the music to help others with evaluation).  I see that there's music on youtube.

If going PR, then one has to show that not only was it influenced by Prog, but that it influenced Prog.  A strong case must me presented when approaching admin for PR.  How does it meet the various PR criteria? I'd be willing to back someone up if a strong case is made, and someone is willing to prepare the addition. 

What would be the most appropriate albums to listen to? I'm hearing some electronicish music in youtube that I think would be fine for PA.

Well, everyone says the first album (Music From the Penguin Cafe) is the most innovative/diverse, but my personal two favorites so far are Broadcasting From Home and Sides Of Life. All three showcase the diversity and eclecticism of the band's music quite well, in my opinion,

In all honestly, I feel that Avant or Eclectic are the best fits for these guys, simply due to the wide variety of styles and instruments used in the music, but hey, it's the experts' call. As for PR, well . . . the head composer's wife/girlfriend, who would sometimes sing on the music and did the cover artwork, Emily Young, is a sculptor and artist who many believe may have been the inspiration for Pink Floyd's ''See Emily Play'' track. Probably doesn't count since that was obviously much earlier, before the band's formation, but nice trivia, regardless. Wink 

Also, Brian Eno is the one who supposedly discovered them and they were apparently influenced by him somewhat. He even put them on his short-lived label. If I think of any other connections, I'll post them in here.


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Points: 37232 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2010 at 21:07
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

bump.

Anyone SC willing to get behind these guys, yet?


We should probably exhaust the Prog route first, and what would really help is sufficient and appropriate samples (and informative guidance to the music to help others with evaluation).  I see that there's music on youtube.

If going PR, then one has to show that not only was it influenced by Prog, but that it influenced Prog.  A strong case must me presented when approaching admin for PR.  How does it meet the various PR criteria? I'd be willing to back someone up if a strong case is made, and someone is willing to prepare the addition. 

What would be the most appropriate albums to listen to? I'm hearing some electronicish music in youtube that I think would be fine for PA.

Well, everyone says the first album (Music From the Penguin Cafe) is the most innovative/diverse, but my personal two favorites so far are Broadcasting From Home and Sides Of Life. All three showcase the diversity and eclecticism of the band's music quite well, in my opinion,

In all honestly, I feel that Avant or Eclectic are the best fits for these guys, simply due to the wide variety of styles and instruments used in the music, but hey, it's the experts' call. As for PR, well . . . the head composer's wife/girlfriend, who would sometimes sing on the music and did the cover artwork, Emily Young, is a sculptor and artist who many believe may have been the inspiration for Pink Floyd's ''See Emily Play'' track. Probably doesn't count since that was obviously much earlier, before the band's formation, but nice trivia, regardless. Wink 

Also, Brian Eno is the one who supposedly discovered them and they were apparently influenced by him somewhat. He even put them on his short-lived label. If I think of any other connections, I'll post them in here.


Thanks, I'll be looking into it more.  I'm not concerned about lack of rock hearing more, and there may well be a case for Eclectic as it does share elements with several prog categories.  Doesn't strike me as "out-there" enough for RIO/Avant Prog even if it has some similarities to chamber rock/ music acts in RIO. It's nice and melodic. I'd like to see it in PA.










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Points: 4900 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2010 at 21:17
Cool. Smile Glad to see you agree. 

Here are some more examples of their wide variety of music:


^ That particular upload cuts off the final minutes of the track, but it gets pretty dramatic in the parts missing. 














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Points: 37232 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2010 at 21:44
A couple of those I was thinking about posting myself. Thanks, I'm going to mention PCO to the Eclectic team.
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2010 at 21:58
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Though I'm not in team work anymore, I'll give this a listen later.

And I guess rock, like prog, can be in the ear of the behearer:



I don't think I've heard of these guys other than seeing their name.  Alright, time to order that one. LOL  The same store had Implosion, so I made it a double.


Edited by Slartibartfast - August 05 2010 at 22:07
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

A couple of those I was thinking about posting myself. Thanks, I'm going to mention PCO to the Eclectic team.

Cool beans. Big smile
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They should be here so I am glad that the eclectic team are considering PCO!
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