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WalterDigsTunes 
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 Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:51 |
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Toyah Wilcox from Sunday All Over the World definitely brings a female perspective to the work.
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Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:50 |
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BTW, Iva Bittova. Quite marginal, I guess...
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Logan
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Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:47 |
 DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
SaltyJon wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
A Person wrote:
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Yes, they are truly important for RIO or Cantenbury or Krautrock or Post Metal fans. But thatīs marginal subgenres without doubt.
And somebodyīs even laughing me... |
May I ask why you say they are marginal? 
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Marginal. Out of the main stream. Underground. Minority music. What else? |
Congratulations, you've just described Progressive Rock!  Every subgenre listed on this website, in other words.
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Summed up my thoughts there... |
Yep, every category here, at least these days. Of course there are some popular bands listed in PA, but the majority in all of the categories are hardly mainstream. And, though Prog once had it's heyday, I believe that it in the early days it was commonly referred to as underground music. Of course some Prog is more mainstream than others. And Roger mentioned Nightwish, if you want to talk marginal, why include such a marginally Prog band? And Jon, just one more recommendation, Doctor Nerve (with the Sirius String Quartet's) Ereia (though not as similar) -- if you don't know it. A superb album, I think.
Edited by Logan - July 25 2010 at 15:47
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:39 |
SaltyJon wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
A Person wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
Yes, they are truly important for RIO or Cantenbury or Krautrock or Post Metal fans. But thatīs marginal subgenres without doubt.
And somebodyīs even laughing me... |
May I ask why you say they are marginal?
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Marginal. Out of the main stream. Underground. Minority music. What else? |
Congratulations, you've just described Progressive Rock! Every subgenre listed on this website, in other words.
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Summed up my thoughts there...
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A Person
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Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:38 |
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SaltyJon
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Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:35 |
Gandalff wrote:
A Person wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
Yes, they are truly important for RIO or Cantenbury or Krautrock or Post Metal fans. But thatīs marginal subgenres without doubt.
And somebodyīs even laughing me... |
May I ask why you say they are marginal?
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Marginal. Out of the main stream. Underground. Minority music. What else? |
Congratulations, you've just described Progressive Rock! Every subgenre listed on this website, in other words.
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:34 |
Gandalff wrote:
A Person wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
Yes, they are truly important for RIO or Cantenbury or Krautrock or Post Metal fans. But thatīs marginal subgenres without doubt.
And somebodyīs even laughing me... |
May I ask why you say they are marginal?
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Marginal. Out of the main stream. Underground. Minority music. What else? |
Oh jeez...
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Gandalff
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Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:34 |
A Person wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
Yes, they are truly important for RIO or Cantenbury or Krautrock or Post Metal fans. But thatīs marginal subgenres without doubt.
And somebodyīs even laughing me... |
May I ask why you say they are marginal?
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Marginal. Out of the main stream. Underground. Minority music. What else?
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SaltyJon
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Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:33 |
Gandalff wrote:
E. Is RIO/Avant the biggest subgenre in PA possibly? |
What, exactly, does size of the subgenre have to do with how influential
or significant it is? I think it's a safe bet to say that most fans
of, say, Symphonic Prog don't know 97% of the bands in the genre
(apologies to those of you who do somehow know a majority of the countless bands in Symphonic  ),
yet most fans of any of the "marginal" genres you mentioned do know
more about their genre as a whole, rather than just a small fraction of
them. Size doesn't matter here.  What does matter, in my opinion, is how much any specific subgenre has influenced the life and times of Santa Claus prog, and RIO/Avant especially has been a big influence on it, whether you want to admit it or not.
Also, let's say we drop the fact for now that you're dismissing all of
these genres offhand for whatever reason. What about Bobbie Watson from
Comus? Their first album, First Utterance, is anything but marginal.
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Logan
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Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:31 |
Gandalff wrote:
The Truth wrote:
A. I'm not a girl.
B. There a quite a few more on PA.
C. What you consider "marginal female artists" are alot of the time great musicians.
D. I just voted for Haslem because she is the best IMO.
E. Mia Matsumyia is not a "marginal female artist".
F. Zeuhl, RIO, Avant-rock, and Canterbury is all music too. |
A. Thatīs a pity! Your avatar is pretty!
B. Itīs not supervisible, because most of members donīt indicate their sex here.
C. It is true, but my poll question is about another.
D. Thatīs allright.
E. Is RIO/Avant the biggest subgenre in PA possibly?
F. OK, but Iīve been obliged to eliminate them just for saving the place in the poll. |
RIO/Avant is very popular here with many, and I would say it's one of the "big" PA categories. It also has incredible diversity (eclectic), and of course musically it overlaps with other categories here. Most of my favourites, for instance, in the Eclectic category are avant-oriented.
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Logan
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Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:25 |
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The Truth
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Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:24 |
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I give up. Good luck other people!
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Gandalff
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Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:16 |
The Truth wrote:
A. I'm not a girl.
B. There a quite a few more on PA.
C. What you consider "marginal female artists" are alot of the time great musicians.
D. I just voted for Haslem because she is the best IMO.
E. Mia Matsumyia is not a "marginal female artist".
F. Zeuhl, RIO, Avant-rock, and Canterbury is all music too. |
A. Thatīs a pity! Your avatar is pretty!
B. Itīs not supervisible, because most of members donīt indicate their sex here.
C. It is true, but my poll question is about another.
D. Thatīs allright.
E. Is RIO/Avant the biggest subgenre in PA possibly?
F. OK, but Iīve been obliged to eliminate them just for saving the place in the poll.
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:11 |
Gandalff wrote:
Yes, they are truly important for RIO or Cantenbury or Krautrock or Post Metal fans. But thatīs marginal subgenres without doubt.
And somebodyīs even laughing me... |
They should be laughing. You are treating RIO, Canterbury, Zeuhl, Krautrock, and Post Metal as if they are mean nothing. They are still prog subgenres, therefore mean just as much as the other ones. The reason everyone is getting so mad is not because you left some out, but your attitude towards all those subgenres.
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Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:04 |
Gandalff wrote:
Yes, they are truly important for RIO or Cantenbury or Krautrock or Post Metal fans. But thatīs marginal subgenres without doubt.
And somebodyīs even laughing me... |
May I ask why you say they are marginal?
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Wolf Spider
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Posted: July 25 2010 at 15:04 |
Marcela Bovio goddamnit! She's the one that made The Human Equation the great album that it is (well Arjen helped out a bit ). She's also the only reason to listen to Stream Of Passion. Every time I listen to her magnificent voice I have goose bumps. I only pray that she will finally find a band that wolud fit her talent.
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Posted: July 25 2010 at 14:58 |
Logan wrote:
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Aranis is excellent, based on what I've heard. I just ordered Songs from Mirage, it'll be my first Aranis album.
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Songs from Mirage is my least favourite from Aranis (I don't include the Basta one), but it rather grew on me. I still haven't spun it much. Aranis II, and then I, I loved from first listen.
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Yeah, I plan on getting their first two soon as well, plus I'm looking forward to their new one with Dave Kerman.
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Logan
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Posted: July 25 2010 at 14:57 |
SaltyJon wrote:
Aranis is excellent, based on what I've heard. I just ordered Songs from Mirage, it'll be my first Aranis album.
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Songs from Mirage is my least favourite from Aranis (I don't include the Basta one), but it rather grew on me. I still haven't spun it much. Aranis II, and then I, I loved from first listen.
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Gandalff
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Posted: July 25 2010 at 14:57 |
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I didn't like the comment of the marginal female artists suggestions either. I understand that the job of creating a poll and think about all the different options takes its time and it NEVER EVER satisfies everyone here, and that can piss someone off. No matter what options you include, you will ALWAYS receive some complaints. Some people may complain because they truly believe that the option they are suggesting deserves to be on the list, and some others just for the sake of complaining. Anyway, these are just different opinions, and we should try to respect all of them. In my case, I voted for Haslam, and suggested Mariela Gonzalez from Nexus (only because one of the options on the poll read: "Whom have I forgotten, gosh?"). If you didn't want the people to express their different thoughts you could have posted "just stick to the artists on the list", or something like that. I don't know if my suggestion fits in your "marginal female artists" label (maybe because she's not so well known, I don't know). I hope not, because she really is a very talented vocalist. And I'm sure that plenty of us who expressed our different points of view towards your list didn't do it just to bring your poll down. As I said before, these are just opinions. |
Thanks for your opinion. Just understand me, Iīve tried only to choose 25 female artists (not only singers). The list isnīt inflatable...Thatīs a difficult thing, trust me! How can I make it? I picked a happy medium, that means main stream of Prog.
I have a suspicion that most of forum members didīnt read my poll question properly. So, once again: "Which woman in PA is the most remarkable, influential or likeable?" Iīve thought about female artist with significant importance for a WHOLE SPECTRUM of Prog. Thus, why did they suggest me any violinists, percussionists, backing vocalists, bassists, etc. of relative unknown bands?  Yes, they are truly important for RIO or Cantenbury or Krautrock or Post Metal fans. But thatīs marginal subgenres without doubt.
And somebodyīs even laughing me...
Edited by Gandalff - July 25 2010 at 14:59
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Posted: July 25 2010 at 14:46 |
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Aranis is excellent, based on what I've heard. I just ordered Songs from Mirage, it'll be my first Aranis album.
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