Female element in Prog Rock

Gandalff wrote: Yes, they are truly important for RIO or Cantenbury or Krautrock or Post Metal fans. But that´s marginal subgenres without doubt.   And somebody´s even laughing me...

May I ask why you say they are marginal?

The Truth wrote: Gandalff wrote: The Truth wrote: Annie Haslem definitely, just an amazing vocalist Thanks for not suggest any (in my opinion) marginal female artists incl. percussionist, bassist etc. By the way, I think you´re only one woman in my forum and one of the few ones in PA, isn´t it?    A. I'm not a girl. B. There a quite a few more on PA. C. What you consider "marginal female artists" are alot of the time great musicians. D. I just voted for Haslem because she is the best IMO. E. Mia Matsumyia is not a "marginal female artist". F. Zeuhl, RIO, Avant-rock, and Canterbury is all music too.

A. That´s a pity! Your avatar is pretty!

SaltyJon wrote: Logan wrote: SaltyJon wrote: Aranis is excellent, based on what I've heard.  I just ordered Songs from Mirage, it'll be my first Aranis album.  Songs from Mirage is my least favourite from Aranis (I don't include the Basta one), but it rather grew on me. I still haven't spun it much.   Aranis II, and then I, I loved from first listen. Yeah, I plan on getting their first two soon as well, plus I'm looking forward to their new one with Dave Kerman.

Have you checked out any DAAU?  Also excellent.

Gandalff wrote: E. Is RIO/Avant the biggest subgenre in PA possibly?

What, exactly, does size of the subgenre have to do with how influential or significant it is?  I think it's a safe bet to say that most fans of, say, Symphonic Prog don't know 97% of the bands in the genre (apologies to those of you who do somehow know a majority of the countless bands in Symphonic ), yet most fans of any of the "marginal" genres you mentioned do know more about their genre as a whole, rather than just a small fraction of them.  Size doesn't matter here.   What does matter, in my opinion, is how much any specific subgenre has influenced the life and times of Santa Claus prog, and RIO/Avant especially has been a big influence on it, whether you want to admit it or not. 

Also, let's say we drop the fact for now that you're dismissing all of these genres offhand for whatever reason.  What about Bobbie Watson from Comus?  Their first album, First Utterance, is anything but marginal.

Gandalff wrote: A Person wrote: Gandalff wrote: Yes, they are truly important for RIO or Cantenbury or Krautrock or Post Metal fans. But that´s marginal subgenres without doubt.   And somebody´s even laughing me... May I ask why you say they are marginal? Marginal. Out of the main stream. Underground. Minority music. What else?

Logan wrote: SaltyJon wrote: Logan wrote: SaltyJon wrote: Aranis is excellent, based on what I've heard.  I just ordered Songs from Mirage, it'll be my first Aranis album.  Songs from Mirage is my least favourite from Aranis (I don't include the Basta one), but it rather grew on me. I still haven't spun it much.   Aranis II, and then I, I loved from first listen. Yeah, I plan on getting their first two soon as well, plus I'm looking forward to their new one with Dave Kerman.  Have you checked out any DAAU?  Also excellent.

I saw the name somewhere, maybe Progfreak, but wow.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote: SaltyJon wrote: Gandalff wrote: A Person wrote: Gandalff wrote: Yes, they are truly important for RIO or Cantenbury or Krautrock or Post Metal fans. But that´s marginal subgenres without doubt.   And somebody´s even laughing me... May I ask why you say they are marginal? Marginal. Out of the main stream. Underground. Minority music. What else? Congratulations, you've just described Progressive Rock!   Every subgenre listed on this website, in other words. Summed up my thoughts there...

Yep, every category here, at least these days.  Of course there are some popular bands listed in PA, but the majority in all of the categories are hardly mainstream.  And, though Prog once had it's heyday, I believe that it in the early days it was commonly referred to as underground music.

Of course some Prog is more mainstream than others. And Roger mentioned Nightwish, if you want to talk marginal, why include such a marginally Prog band?

And Jon, just one more recommendation, Doctor Nerve (with the Sirius String Quartet's) Ereia (though not as similar) -- if you don't know it.  A superb album, I think.


Edited by Logan - July 25 2010 at 15:47

Toyah Wilcox from Sunday All Over the World definitely brings a female perspective to the work.

The singers on National Health's self titled are phenomenal.  And sound very sexy.......  Annette Peacock for her solo career and work with Bruford.  Dagmar Krause, who I'm sure has been mentioned already for Henry Cow and Art Bears.  

Edited by himtroy - July 25 2010 at 15:56

SaltyJon wrote: Gandalff wrote: E. Is RIO/Avant the biggest subgenre in PA possibly? What, exactly, does size of the subgenre have to do with how influential or significant it is?  I think it's a safe bet to say that most fans of, say, Symphonic Prog don't know 97% of the bands in the genre (apologies to those of you who do somehow know a majority of the countless bands in Symphonic ), yet most fans of any of the "marginal" genres you mentioned do know more about their genre as a whole, rather than just a small fraction of them.  Size doesn't matter here.   What does matter, in my opinion, is how much any specific subgenre has influenced the life and times of Santa Claus prog, and RIO/Avant especially has been a big influence on it, whether you want to admit it or not.  Also, let's say we drop the fact for now that you're dismissing all of these genres offhand for whatever reason.  What about Bobbie Watson from Comus?  Their first album, First Utterance, is anything but marginal.

OK, your arguments seems to be wise. Maybe my selection of women here isn´t just most providential. I´d never anticipated how razzle-dazzle I can make here.