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Points: 18061 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2010 at 14:09
Quote ... I guess he’s still trying to portray himself as the rebellious punk rocker.
 
You mean rebellious punk idiot? At least we know his time and place was not about the music!
 
He likes, or did like, VDGG probably because in the earlier days, Peter could scream and cry and rant and rave and sing with the best of them, and that probably gave this kid some ideas ... but in the end, the difference is that John Lydon does not have much to say and his material and singing is rather vaccuous and meaningless when compared to Peter's!
 
It's just another commercial stunt ... making sure that "equal time" means that ... it's not valid, specially when seen by someone that is "valid" ... ??? ... right!
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Originally posted by CinemaZebra CinemaZebra wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by CinemaZebra CinemaZebra wrote:

I think John Lydon is against more stereotypical prog. I mean he likes Magma and Can for Pete's sake.

He doesn't consider them Prog.
That explains it.
 
He's right in a way ... since at the time, there was a lot of experimentation, and while Magma, might not be considered a free form idea like Can was and became (ie. Tago Mago), in the end, they were not "progressive" either ... specially since one of the most important part of their work ... was not the ego and the pyrotechnics and the costumes! ... it was their music. And that is something that I am sure that Mr. Lydon understands and professes every day.
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

That Susan Boyle joke made me laugh much harder than it should have. And Touchstone was an odd choice, I'd never even heard of them before and they aren't very good and they're a little embarrassing. Obviously you're not going to score an interview with Radiohead, and The Mars Volta are too far away, but I think Oceansize and Pure Reason Revolution are under 30, although they aren't conveniently located in London.


Neither of those bands are playing this festival though. Also, Size and PRR aren't great examples considering the former aren't very into the ethos of prog at all (it's more their time signatures/cardiacs influence) and PRR just took a turn into electronica.
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Sky did a report recently on TV discussing a come back of Prog Rock (come back? - it never went away LOL), and mentions how Punk killed it off in the 70s blah blah blah. Interviews by ELP themselves, Touchstone and a certain John Lydon.
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Points: 16715 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2010 at 03:57
Originally posted by Citizen Erased Citizen Erased wrote:

 
Neither of those bands are playing this festival though. Also, Size and PRR aren't great examples considering the former aren't very into the ethos of prog at all (it's more their time signatures/cardiacs influence) and PRR just took a turn into electronica.
Good point, I had sort of forgotten this piece was about a festival. I didn't know that about PRR, but I guess it's just as well they stopped playing prog, they weren't very good at it. ;-) And it could be worse, they could have interviewed Mostly Autumn. ;-)
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Sky did a report recently on TV discussing a come back of Prog Rock (come back? - it never went away LOL), and mentions how Punk killed it off in the 70s blah blah blah. Interviews by ELP themselves, Touchstone and a certain John Lydon.


What the hell? This video is what the thread is about, why did you repost it as if it were new?
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Originally posted by PROGMAN PROGMAN wrote:

Sky did a report recently on TV discussing a come back of Prog Rock (come back? - it never went away LOL), and mentions how Punk killed it off in the 70s blah blah blah. Interviews by ELP themselves, Touchstone and a certain John Lydon.



I think you just lost your mind.Smile
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

That Susan Boyle joke made me laugh much harder than it should have. And Touchstone was an odd choice, I'd never even heard of them before and they aren't very good and they're a little embarrassing. Obviously you're not going to score an interview with Radiohead, and The Mars Volta are too far away, but I think Oceansize and Pure Reason Revolution are under 30, although they aren't conveniently located in London.
agreed, i think pure reason revolution would have been an ideal choice
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Originally posted by bsms810 bsms810 wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

That Susan Boyle joke made me laugh much harder than it should have. And Touchstone was an odd choice, I'd never even heard of them before and they aren't very good and they're a little embarrassing. Obviously you're not going to score an interview with Radiohead, and The Mars Volta are too far away, but I think Oceansize and Pure Reason Revolution are under 30, although they aren't conveniently located in London.
agreed, i think pure reason revolution would have been an ideal choice

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/jul/22/prog-rock-genesis-rush-mostly-autumn

This is much more informative/interesting. Plus it validates my Oceansize claim :P
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Originally posted by Citizen Erased Citizen Erased wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/jul/22/prog-rock-genesis-rush-mostly-autumn

This is much more informative/interesting. Plus it validates my Oceansize claim :P


Blimey, if even "hipsters" on the Guardian are conceding that prog isn't entirely worthless things really must be changing. Perhaps Oceansize might eventually end up pleading "But we are prog!" just for the benefits in sales it will bring.LOL

An interesting article, especially the bit about Classic Rock: Prog's sales being half those of the NME at 22,000.
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Lydon (and the vacuous mainstram rock press) still don't get it.  Malcolm McLaren put together the most untalented band ever just to show that people will buy into anything, if you just sell it right.  "The Great Rock & Roll Swindle" indeed.

The chumps that bought into The Sex Pistols still can't get over that, and to this day revel in Lydon's supposed genius.  He was a talentless buffoon, and probably still is.  Why people worry over what he says is beyond me.
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Originally posted by Cactus Choir Cactus Choir wrote:

Originally posted by Citizen Erased Citizen Erased wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/jul/22/prog-rock-genesis-rush-mostly-autumn

This is much more informative/interesting. Plus it validates my Oceansize claim :P


Blimey, if even "hipsters" on the Guardian are conceding that prog isn't entirely worthless things really must be changing. Perhaps Oceansize might eventually end up pleading "But we are prog!" just for the benefits in sales it will bring.LOL

An interesting article, especially the bit about Classic Rock: Prog's sales being half those of the NME at 22,000.





And yet, when mentioning Transatlantic, they completely fail to mention The Flower Kings or Roine Stolt.  So I guess some bands are still "underground" Confused


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I saw Lydon on Jimmy Fallon a few weeks ago. He's still a punk only older and nastier, but still entertaining.
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I think I know what's happened here, My guess is it was moved here!!

Because I posted this elsewhere in the Prog news post, but it merged with this post.
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Points: 14693 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2010 at 10:37
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Quote ... <FONT size=3 face=Calibri>I guess he’s still trying to portray himself as the rebellious punk rocker.


 
You mean rebellious punk idiot? At least we know his time and place was not about the music!

 
He likes, or did like, VDGG probably because in the earlier days, Peter could scream and cry and rant and rave and sing with the best of them, and that probably gave this kid some ideas ... but in the end, the difference is that John Lydon does not have much to say and his material and singing is rather vaccuous and meaningless when compared to Peter's!


They do like to roll out Lydon every now & again, don't they - bottom line is he fronted a 3rd rate heavy metal band with a clever manager who released one substandard album, then disappeared under the weight of their own self importance - as Lydon himself stated at the end of the last Pistols gig, "Ever feel you've been had?"

When he produces a body of work even approaching the quality and/or quantity of half the bands appearing on the prog stage, then he can have his say - remember, those who can, do, those who can't, criticise.

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Originally posted by Cactus Choir Cactus Choir wrote:

Originally posted by Citizen Erased Citizen Erased wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/jul/22/prog-rock-genesis-rush-mostly-autumn

This is much more informative/interesting. Plus it validates my Oceansize claim :P


Blimey, if even "hipsters" on the Guardian are conceding that prog isn't entirely worthless things really must be changing. Perhaps Oceansize might eventually end up pleading "But we are prog!" just for the benefits in sales it will bring.LOL

An interesting article, especially the bit about Classic Rock: Prog's sales being half those of the NME at 22,000.




I think it's the dinosaur prog Transatlantic-esque sort of stuff that they loathe, and to be fair I'm not fond of it myself.

Their main influence as a band is Cardiacs who were a prog/punk mixture; I think they like the idea of prog but with a punkish "f**k em" attitude. LOL

It's strange how many bands are ashamed of being called prog though just because of the connotations it brings. Radiohead have denied it and Muse professed ignorance to it, although are slightly more comfortable with the tag. And then there's Porcupine Tree. Steven Wilson wouldn't recognise his music as such until very recently, and he's a huge Pink Floyd, Marillion et al fan.
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I've brought the dear old Grauniad for donkey's years now, and I can tell everybody on the site not familiar with Britain's favourite wet liberal rag, this is a sea change of an article, especially coming from Petridis. For years, they've decried prog.

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I read every post in this thread and I am still laughing at: "TURD ROCK."  HAHA.  LOL  What a dipsh*t.
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Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Lydon (and the vacuous mainstram rock press) still don't get it.  Malcolm McLaren put together the most untalented band ever just to show that people will buy into anything, if you just sell it right.  "The Great Rock & Roll Swindle" indeed.

I wouldn't take it that far. At the time experiments STILL were all over the place in theater, film and music, and for all intents and purposes this was yet another expression that was as valid as the "angry young men" or 20 years earlier in the Brittish Stage! Bark loudly, and end up not saying a lot at all, but it makes for good staging! Thank you Good Night darling!
 
But Yes, it could be considered a great swindle in that advertising and publicity will convince you that anything is worth while so you spend your money and think it is good!
 
Quote The chumps that bought into The Sex Pistols still can't get over that, and to this day revel in Lydon's supposed genius.  He was a talentless buffoon, and probably still is.  Why people worry over what he says is beyond me.
 
I would not go so far as to say that he, or the band, did not have talent. Talent is almost a "preference" for what is supposedly right and proper, instead of what is in front of you ... and the majority of the 20th century arts have been about breaking down that convention to smithereens and something like the Lydon, Syd and Nancy, were just as good vehicles for that expression as anything else that the West End had to offer at the time ... no complaints there ... I can say that some other arts got lazy, and someone else brought the flame out to the stage ... I can handle that.
 
It's the same thing with today's might makes right concept and fan control of the media ... you end up convinced that this or that is good because it is mentioned in print, and what you and I say is not important ... it's what happens when you have the chance for freedom  and the cage is open, but inside here you have a meal all the time .... all the time!
 
So guess what the commercial interests bank on? ... your inability to think and get out on your own. And think for yourself. ...Of course, you can think that Genesis is great all the time ... but anything else? You put on the new Rush, you're never going to listen to Ange! There you have it ... conditioning of the Pavlov's Dog variety!
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I'd sooner watch John Lydon than some jokefest full of modern bands. Oh wait, I've already gone to see PiL. Quality classic attitude.
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