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Part 25: Prog Poll through the years 1991 Top 15 - Here is the prog poll for definitive albums of 1991. Bear in mind of course I cant place every album but these are the ones that seem to find their way into best of lists and are discussed by progheads. New bands rising and prog surviving but not a good selection with one or two standout albums and a real focus on prog metal. Unquestionable Presence Atheist Parallells Fates Warning Human Death Streets A Rock Opera Savatage A Sense of Change - Sieges Even Laughing Stock Talk Talk Angel Rat Voivod The World Pendragon Strangeitude Ozric Tentacles Metallica - Metallica Dust and Dreams Camel Roll The Bones Rush The Fall of the House of Usher Peter Hammill The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life Frank Zappa A Little Light Music Jethro Tull The results:
The Others: Rings of Earthly Light - Eris Pluvia Collector's Item - Twelfth Night Blue Lines - Massive Attack Liturgia Bezmia Sepsis We Cant Dance Genesis (voted twice by some interesting fans here) It was rather a close poll so I left this open for quite a while; it was stuck at :
AND THE WINNER IS... ** Don't rush out to buy this one!
A very routine album has Rush going by the numbers with poor production values and badly mixed sounds. The guitars are repetitive and commercial sounding. The drums sound like Peart is banging the pots and pans in his kitchen. Lee sounds bored and his bass is nothing special here. Apart from one or two shining lights "Roll the Bones" fades into obscurity and is perhaps as bad as "Presto", though this is perhaps their worst album. Unlike the disappointing "Presto", "Roll the Bones" does have a few excellent tracks. Dreamline is a great rocker with some innovative guitar work and is well structured. Bravado sounds good overall, and has a nice litle riff driving it. Roll The Bones is perhaps the best song on the album with a cool memorable lyric; "why are we here, because we're here, roll the bones..." or better still, "why does it happen, because it happens, roll the bones..." It has a groovy hook and sounds great live. The film clip promo was rather fun and it showed that the band could still enjoy their music, even if they shed their prog traits during this era. Where's My Thing (Part IV of the "Gangster Of Boats Trilogy") is the first instrumental for years from the power trio, and it genuinely stands out as a highlight with the band letting loose and doing what they do best, rocking the roof off. After this we are inundated with mediocrity fillers such as the dismal The Big Wheel, Heresy and Ghost Of A Chance. Neurotica is better with a moderate tempo and some melodic hooks, and the album ends on the rather traditional You Bet Your Life, that is forgettable but sounds good while it plays. The problem with the album is the lack of passion, the band sound tired and the songs for the most part are ruined by poor production, as though they were not using a sound engineer at all. It is so badly mixed that it would do well to re release this album as a remaster with remixes of the original masters. It certainly would not hurt because honestly this album is a slog to get through with only the aforementioned tracks to recommend it to anyone but the diehard Rush collector. Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - October 20 2014 at 03:13 |
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Part 26: Prog Poll through the years 1992 Top 15 - Here is the prog poll for definitive albums of 1992. This year saw some of the best albums for a decade and it was a new face of prog arising. Some of the albums represented are highly revered in the prog community. Hybris Anglagard Images and Words Dream Theater Into the Everflow Psychotic Waltz Suffocating The Bloom Echolyn Amused To Death Roger Waters Megalαzottak ιs Megszomorνtottak After Crying Secret Story Pat Metheny More Than Meets The Eye Jadis Tubular Bells II Mike Oldfield US Peter Gabriel Lonely Land Landberk Io E Il Tempo Nuova Era Ring Of Roses Shadowland Casino - Casino The Great Deceiver Live 1973-1974 King Crimson The results:
The Others: AND THE WINNER IS... It begins with 'Jordrφk'; the opening is dark chilling piano and male choral voices. The time sig is strange and off beat. The music is tight and definitely prog, and there is an excellent catchy melody on guitars by Engdegεrd. This instrumental continues as an acoustic treatment is given with bells and ambient keyboard pads from Johnson. A sublime flute chimes in from Holmgren; a very gentle lulling sound that is dreamy and surreal. A huge pipe organ cathedral sound blasts forth. The time sig changes completely as keyboards and guitars crash in. The shimmering Hammond is wonderful and a real feature. The track changes pace again, the flourishes of keys and drums are fascinating from Olsson. The whimsical flute returns, followed by a dark heavy section. A silent passage with minimalist woodwind begins. Then melodious blasts of organ riffs with a scorching guitar take hold of the track. An absolutely essential piece of prog music. 'Ifrεn Klarhet Till Klarhet' begins with an off kilter quirky amusement park effect then it goes in to fill swing with a prog time sig and Engdegεrd's very cool guitar riffs that are incessant and relentless. It builds and locks into a strange time sig with irregular drum patterns. The Swedish vocals of Lindman are very clean and follow the strange rhythm, with nice organ chord changes, jazz fills on guitar and jazz drumming. The acoustic interlude is gentle and played with feeling. It finishes on a powerful instrumental focussing on shimmering Hammond organ and guitar sweeps. 'Kung Bore' is another highlight with Engdegεrd's guitar picking introduction, a heavy bass and drum patterns fade up and a strange time sig locks in. The music is complex and compelling. It is an uplifting sound, with light and dark shades utilising many instruments to create a delightful atmosphere. Lindman's vocals are gentle sung in Swedish language. The sound is often like Pink Floyd with huge mellotron keyboard chords from Johnson and space guitar passages. Holmgren's flute sections are divine throughout. Time sigs change towards the end gaining in pace. Then a wall of symphonic washes take the tune to its conclusion. A single flute is heard bookending the piece. A quintessential progressive album though I give it 4 stars as the vocals are below par and not as good as they could be. IN SECOND PLACE:
*****The reinvention of Progressive rock
Did Images and Words begin prog metal? 1992 seems like an eternity away now but in its time this album was absolutely the pinnacle of what became prog metal. So many bands owe their existence to this album. It is little wonder why crowds get excited when LaBrie shouts we are going to do one from Images and Words! The real master tracks are obvious as they are the ones played live often and they are the ones that every DT fan loves. One of those tracks is the brilliant Pull Me Under. Infectious riffing and melodic cohesiveness makes this one of the all time greatest prog metal songs.
Another one of the classics is undoubtedly Metropolis - Pt. I "The Miracle And The Sleeper". This may be in the top 10 best DT songs, as it features an epic majesty made possible with layers of Moores keyboards over Myungs relentless bass and Portnoys sporadic drumming. The time sigs are off kilter and deranged at times. Amidst the chaos LaBrie shines on vocals. If that does not grab you the lead guitar fret work is impeccable from Petrucci.
Under A Glass Moon is a definitive DT track appearing in many concerts. The guitar solos are phenomenal and there are quite a few. The riffing is incredible too making this a bonafide classic. The lead breaks are indispensable and ingrained in metal history.
Learning To Live is quintessential DT with virtuoso solos and musicianship. LaBrie is on fire and you have to love the time sig and bassline. LaBrie's voice is powerful throughout the album, higher than recent years of course because his voice was undamaged by age.
Of course there are other tracks and they are all very good, some may call them masterpieces. The point is, this album is a vital component in the resurgence of prog rock. Prog was dying in the 80s, and barely surviving in the 90s, but Dream Theater created the music they wanted to hear despite the avalanche of rap and other so called musical styles trying to drown out the voice of prog for ever. Images and Words is all killer and no filler the way an album should be. It may not be as genius as Ocatavarium or in the same vein as Scenes From A Memory to come, but this is an important album that cemented prog metal as the new giants of the industry. After this album there was no looking back the gods of prog metal had been awakened.
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Part 27: Prog Poll through the years 1993 Top 15 - Here is the prog poll for definitive albums of 1993. This year prog was taking a new stand in music with new sub genres and new bands being experimental and a wall of metal overtook prog. Elements Atheist Jurassic Shift Ozric Tentacles Ever IQ Up the Downstair Porcupine Tree Vemod Anekdoten The Window Of Life Pendragon Individual Thought Patterns Death Kingston Wall 2 Kingston Wall Spheres Pestilence Edge Of Thorns Savatage Counterparts Rush The Outer Limits Voivod The Security Of Illusion Saga Never Let Go Camel The Yellow Shark Frank Zappa The results:
The Others: Secret World - Peter Gabriel Clockworked Earth - Teru's Symphonia This one went down to the wire and I had to leave this poll open with a stalemate situation:
AND THE WINNER IS... My Review:
***** Anekdoten provide thought provoking, mellotron-soaked music on an amazing debut
My first listen to Anekdoten has been a pleasurable experience. The melancholy and ambience the band emit with mellotron, cello and soft vocals is akin to the type of material heard from the legendary King Crimson. The guitar work is so refined and creative it takes music to new levels. The debut album, 'Vemod' translated in Sweden as 'sadness' is a master work of mellotron-soaked heavy prog. The musicians play like a well-oiled machine, the rhythm section, consists of the bassline hammering of Jan Erik Liljestrφm who incidentally provides all vocals, and the drumming of Peter Nordins who keeps time with precision. The Fripp-inspired guitarist Nicklas Berg is also a mellotron muso and he is joined by Anna Sofi Dahlberg, on mellotron, keys and cello. At times she sings parts which add to the texture and nuances of the songs. On piano is Per Wiberg who provides some lovely scales and arpeggios preferring to play pianofortissimo, in fact the whole band like it loud. The subtle shades of dark and light tones are evident on every track, where sound provides an atmosphere of darkness with heavy deep basslines, and light when the piano is allowed to be joyful, and the mellotron cascades across the void. There are so many highlights including the mesmirising 'Karelia' which is an instrumental focusing on bass and drum patterns, odd time signatures and full blown mellotron. The real interesting component of the track is the slicing Cello which feels menacing and creates tension in the soundscape. Another great track is 'The Old Man and The Sea' that begins and ends with an industrial scraping bass effect, incredibly played by Liljestrφm. There are layers of sound including cello and grand piano that add a true sense of adventure to the music. It is like nothing else I have heard. The band are genuine virtuosos and they never hold back although you sense at times they pull out to release members of the band to shine. The sustained mellotron shimmers with increasing volume and feels chilling to the marrow when those deep resonances are unleashed creeping through your senses. The vocals are well sung on this and it adds a sense of dread the way the lyrics are written: 'The storm has raged here for hours, the water's plunging in on me, The remains of my creation is swallowed slowly down by the troubled sea into unconsecrated ground, gone eternally, gone eternally, Feeder of my visions, carrier of my soul, The last hope for the dreamers, now crashing to the shore, pinioned and torn In presumption and with my foolish pride, I challenged the storm, I challenged the storm.' It reminds me of the old adage of a man battling against the elements similar to the tale of Moby Dick in some respects. Perfect prog theme. 'Where Solitude Remains' begins with a blistering heavy bass riff that is chunked up to the max, and the mellotron sweeps across until finally it breaks to a quiet pad and Liljestrφm's vocals softly tell the strange tale: 'I watch the clouds through my window, sail across the sky and underneath the canopy, gulls, they wheel and glide, the shoreline stretches endlessly along these windswept plains, I wander through this barren land where solitude remains, I've made myself a universe in this far-off home, unseen from the outside world, here I live and roam and though I've tried assiduously to heal the wounds with time, you'll haunt me in my memories until I die.' I think the lyrics are some of the best I have come across expressing true alienation and loss, foreboding but thoughtful, and the music answers perfectly with appropriate precise emotional nuances. The instrumental at the end is so arresting, emotional and played with excellence, it seals the deal that this is another definitive highlight. 'Thoughts in Absence' is a type of break in transmission, a much softer approach with mellotron, clean guitar and clear vocals about life's ups and downs: 'ease and calm you give but life begins... my time has come now, this bird has flown, a glimpse of hope but still an everlasting moment' Certainly it is clichι driven dialogue but it works as a balladic piece, in sharp contrast to the relentless riffing on other songs. The song is sugarsweet, shimmering and short. It works nicely between two killer tracks. 'The Flow' is my favourite, it really grew on me and I cannot get over how incredible the music is. It begins with minimalist woodwind sounds and chimes, a monkey wails and jungle echo percussions give an ethereal atmosphere. The guitar fades in with relentless picking ala Fripp style. There is a blood curdling scream signifying that the band are ready to go into full flight. The chord changes are fastidious and fabulous, descending and doomy. The monstrous bassline is astonishing and an off kilter drum beat adds the perfect balance. The fluid, lulling mellotron pads are huge, creating a massive wall of sound. Then it phases out during the soft vocalised verses: 'Random lines fall in place, adulterines slowly fade away, I'm sucked in deep by the flow, taken in by the undertow.' An instrumental break is unleashed with Dahlberg's heavenly cello that is grinded and tortured before an angular guitar blazes away. It is simply awesome and I had the chills when that chord progression suddenly took a detour and the foreboding cello sliced to its conclusion. Another highlight is 'Wheel' with an accentuated angular riff that is constant with some estranged vocal harmonies. The flugelhorn on this is divine, amidst a backdrop of booming bass and off beat drums. The main thing I am really impressed here is the ghostly, ethereal vocals of Anna Dahlberg who compliments Jan Erik Liljestrφm beautifully. The lengthy instrumental break is uplifting and multilayered with mellotron and guitar. 'Sad Rain' is the bonus track to the CD that heavily relies on soft mellotron, sounding at times like a flute, very pretty and melancholy. The lyrics are heartfelt bittersweet about walking on a path that never ends: 'and so our time has come, my friend, the child who cries and no-one seems to care, the echoes of the birds are gone, the sky is painted grey, but it's so warm, searching for a light in the darkness, trying to keep your eyes from the dirt, taste the bitter wine of tomorrow, I'm walking on a path that never ends.' Wonderful emotional music that is invigorating and thought provoking. There seems to be strong recurrent theme on this album about being lost at sea and feeling a sense of isolation and alienation from society, a loss of great magnitude is all pervading, and a sense of hopelessness and reaching out in despair. Yet I could not call it a concept album, as it is more subtle than that but there is no denying the thematic content is linked. As this is the debut for the band I had reservations about giving a masterpiece status but, hang it, the album is astounding and deserves recognition. It is not often you encounter music at the measure of this calibre, but when you do, it is mesmirising and you cannot get enough of it. I became hooked on the band from this debut and made an effort to systematically get every album. That in itself is a true sign as far as I am concerned to award 5 stars and so I shall, without reservation. Followed by a single vote:
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Part 28: Prog Poll through the years 1994 Top 15 - Here is the prog poll for definitive albums of 1994. Some great albums emerged from the fog of the difficult years of prog by the masters of prog and kept the genre very much alive. Awake Dream Theater Focus Cynic Moonshine Collage Epilog Anglagard Brave Marillion Somewhere But Yesterday Citizen Cain The Flower King Roine Stolt Promised Land Queensryche Division Bell Pink Floyd Arborescence Ozric Tentacles Il Trono Dei Ricordi - Il Trono Dei Ricordi Gothic Impressions Par Lindh Project The Songs Of Distant Earth Mike Oldfield Le Berceau de Cristal Ash Ra Tempel Maida Vale (The BBC Radio One Sessions) Van Der Graaf Generator The results:
The Others: None! The poll was very close between DT and PF the legends:
AND THE WINNER IS... The tracks are quite famous now as they appear on live DVDs such as Delicate Sound of Thunder and Pulse. My personal favourites are the cynical What do you want from me, A great day for freedom, Take it back, Coming back to life and Keep talking. The latter track features a convincing voice over by genius paraplegic scientist Stephen Hawking. The best song on the entire album is undoubtedly the atmospheric haunting High Hopes. This track is quintessential PF with a startling bell tolling effect and very emotive performance by Gilmour. The majestic closing section is an incredible performance by the band. The film clip promo was brilliant and seen in the live shows on the circular screens. There are some strange tracks that never rang well with me such as the lengthy Poles apart, that is perhaps too long and drawn out. Marooned is also a strange one but sounds great as background music. Overall this was a huge album at the time and the last studio album for the band before they became a live act only. It is definitely one of the better PF albums of recent years and a fitting way to bow out of the studio recordings. **** My first introduction to this incredible band began right here. A friend said you have to hear this and I had no idea what to expect. When I heard that choppy off sync riff of 6:00 I was hooked immediately; 6:00 on a Christmas morning, 6:00 on a Christmas morning. The amazing dexterity of the group, the skills of Petrucci, Portnoy and LaBrie are unsurpassed. I knew this was a super group and of course they are still churning out one excellent album after another. Back in 1994 Awake was flooring the critics, they were hailing Dream Theater as master musicians, and they have improved since then. Rudess replacing Moore was one way, although Moore is an accomplished keyboardist on this album. Myung is a fantastic bassist and shines on Awake.
Best songs are 6:00 which begins with Portnoys drums and a crunching memorable riff. I love the chorus with LaBrie powering out an amazing performance; "Melody walks through the door and Memory flies out the window, nobody knows what they want til they finally let it all go".
Caught in a Web is truly a masterful track that sounds awesome here. LaBrie is fantastic on vocals, his high register is faultless. Moore is a virtuoso on this too, and since I have heard Rudess on this and both sound amazing in the solo section.
Erotomania is an instrumental that is tight, taut and terrific. Lots of fast paced lead work makes this one of the great showpieces of the album.
Voices is one of the all time greatest DT tracks with a strange time sig and massive lead break. It became a fan favourite live for good reason. LaBrie is powerful and retains a complex melody blending perfectly with the instruments.
The Mirror is another of the highlights with monster riffing guitars and keyboards to accompany. This one should have been played live more often, but it is great to return to on this album.
Lifting Shadows Off a Dream features very melodic verses and once again Moore is able to fly into a wonderful keyboard solo.
Scarred is awesome due to Myungs contribution along with Portnoy. They are an indelible rhythm machine. It builds into a full blown metal passage, and detours into many time sig changes.
Space-Dye Vest is a classic DT song and the last time Moore would play on an album before being replaced. There is a melancholy feel as though saying farewell to a friend. The spacey atmospherics are wondrous and it is a perfect way to end an excellent prog metal album.
So overall I was blown away by Awake and of course ended up getting hold of everything the band would produce. I can comfortably award this 4 stars as it is one of the best DT albums and one of the best of 1994.
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Part 29: Prog Poll through the years 1995 Top 15 - Here is the prog poll for definitive albums of 1995. Experimental and metal prog still dominated but Space Rock and Symphonic prog was making a huge comeback in a good year for new bands. The Final Experiment Ayreon The Bends Radiohead Symbolic Death Il Passo Del Soldato Nuova Era The Sky Moves Sideways Porcupine Tree Nucleus Anekdoten Disco Volante Mr Bungle Written In Waters Bed Buens Ende In Your Multitude Conception Back In the World Of Adventures The Flower Kings
Dead Winter Dead Savatage As The World Echolyn
P-U-L-S-E Pink Floyd Songs From The Lions Cage Arena The Light Spocks Beard The results:
The Others: THRAK - King Crimson
Sophisticated - Sieges Even
Don Caballero 2 - Don Caballero
Journey into the Morn Iona
Destroy Erase Improve - Meshuggah
Jongleries ιlastiques - Miriodor
Generation 13 - Saga
Carved in Stone - Shadow Gallery
A Change in Seasons Dream Theater (2 votes) Interesting posts: 1995 has been a great year for music in general, and metal in particular: Ved Buens Ende - Written In Water, Dissection - Storm Of The Light's Bane, My Dying Bride - The Angel And The Dark River, Paradise Lost - Draconian Times, At The Gates - Slaughter Of The Soul, and so many more... AND THE WINNER IS... The Sky Moves Sideways Porcupine Tree The album features a number of shorter length tracks that are more accessible, 'Dislocated Day', 'The Moon Touches Your Shoulder', and 'Prepare Yourself'. Really they are not the drawcard though as the more lengthier pieces are incredible by contrast. The dreamy Floydian soundscape of 'The Sky Moves Sideways Phase Two' is the masterpiece with extended soaring lead guitar work, gorgeous vox from Suzanne Barbieri, and gorgeous swathes of divine keyboards. CD 2 has the epic monster length 'The Sky Moves Sideways - Alternative Version' which is an unedited version of the title with extra vox, and different structure, no waves, heavy percussion, and not as spacey, and the wonderful melodic 'Stars Die' follows that I have heard many times on other releases. 'Moonloop ? Improvisation' clocks 16 minutes of very dreamy music to sleep with, and is followed by 'Moonloop ? Coda' to close a very solid Porcupine Tree album. I am still a bigger fan of the more recent PT but this is nevertheless a mesmirising album with a relaxing spacey atmosphere throughout. Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - October 20 2014 at 03:23 |
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Part 30: Prog Poll through the years 1996 Top 15 - Here is the prog poll for definitive albums of 1996. An ordinary year for prog but these 15 albums shone among the lean 1990s. You have to hand it to these bands who just kept doing what they loved and somehow everyone just caught the fire. Keys To Ascension Yes Actual Fantasy Ayreon Retropolis The Flower Kings Crimson Edge of Sanity Sol Niger Within - Thordendal's Special Defects Sing To God Cardiacs Aenima Tool The Masquerade Overture Pendragon Mi Kubbesi Nekropsi Quidam - Quidam Holy Land Angra Abraxas ... Cykl Obraca Się. Narodziny, Dzieciństwo Pełne Duszy, Uśmiechσw Niewinnych I Zdrady Abraxas Broken China Richard Wright Signify Porcupine Tree Painting On Glass The 3rd and The Mortal The results:
The Others:
Purpendicular - Deep Purple Phish - Billy Breathes After Crying - De Profundis
Some interesting posts were written: Quidam's debut was lovely but No-Man (Wild Opera), Legend's Triple Aspect, Oldfield's Songs from a Distant Earth and Landberk (Indian Summer) are fine recordings. And: I also would say that this was a very fine year for Japan as several of my fave albums from that year came from Japan, which include Zypressen's self-titled, Tipographica's God Says I Can't Dance, Novo Tono's Panorama Paradise, and Bondage Fruit II. A very strong decade, in fact, for Japan. AND THE WINNER IS... PORCUPINE TREE - AGAIN!!!
The album tends to bog down midway through some songs with lengthy instrumental passages that are okay but wear out their welcome on subsequent listens. There are some brilliant tracks here though such as the beautiful melodic 'Waiting Phase One', 'Phase Two' is an instrumental, building with tribal rhythmic drums, spacey atmospherics and some incredible lead guitar. 'Sever' certainly stands out as mentioned, and there are some powerful riffs. One thing that I am not into is the focus on anti-religious themes that seems to pervade the concept such as on 'Idiot Prayer', 'Intermediate Jesus', just a spacey psych instrumental and brief narrative, and ''Light Mass Prayers'' more droning music that bores me after a while. I must admit I like the flute on 'Idiot Prayer', and the killer lead break at the end, but the narrations are just intrusive and it all feels like filler material. 'Every Home is Wired' is an acoustic dreamscape with really nice vocals before these instrumentals. The album closes with a popular song 'Dark Matter' that I had heard on a live DVD prior to this. Overall, 'Signify' is the beginning of great things for Porcupine Tree but they were yet to peak and become recognised as giants of modern prog. This album is half psych and half alt rock, but is very inconsistent. 3 stars for the great music but the masterpieces were a few years away. Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - October 20 2014 at 03:30 |
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Part 31: Prog Poll through the years 1997 Top 15 - Here is the prog poll for definitive albums of 1997. The list here is more experimental and one of the better 1990s lists but still not up to the standard of the 70s. Coma Divine Live Porcupine Tree The Night Watch King Crimson Keys To Ascension 2 Yes Unfolded Like Staircase Discipline Tossco Happy Family Entropia Pain of Salvation La Masquerade Infernale Arcturus Ok Computer Radiohead The Divine Wings Of Tragedy Symphony X F# A# ∞ - Godspeed You! Black Emperor A Pleasant Shade Of Grey Fates Warning Subterranea IQ Curious Corn Ozric Tentacles Falling Into Infinity Dream Theater The results:
The Others: Calling All Stations Genesis Koenjihyakkei Ni A long list was offered: Also of note for the Other category: Interesting posts: Hawkwind's Distant Horizons, The Moor's debut disc, Eclat 3, the first DFA and Clepsydra's Fears are tremendous listens. And this: Genesis "Calling All Stations" was from this year... that may be my favorite, but I don't like it very much.... And: Any year that could produce albums of the quality of Hoyry-Kone's Huono Parturi (I still prefer the debut but that is a fine album), Robert Wyatt's Shleep, and Art Zoyd's Haxan is a good year for me. AND THE WINNER IS... My Review: **** "Ok Computer" caught my attention as one of the top ten albums on a best album's TV show, and I had not known really what to expect. I always viewed Radiohead as depressing laid back stoner alt rock. They were never truly progressive in style but there is enough on here to satiate any listener into experimental and alternative rock. The vocal style never settled well with me, but I was very surprised with this album. It is full of innovation and ambition. A sprawling project from beginning to end, every song screams of techno paranoia suburbia and drug fuelled insecurity. Of course this album boasts two of the quintessential singles, namely the powerful 'Paranoid Android', a title derived from Douglas Adams' "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"'s metal depressed ton of bolts, a classic character that is unforgettable. The song here is equally unforgettable with a terrific ending with the very familiar "Rain down, rain down, Come on rain down on me, From a great height". Yorke sings about being haunted by the "unborn chicken noises" in his head and then explains cryptically "When I am king, you will be first against the wall, With your opinion which is of no consequence at all." Interestingly the line "first against the wall" refers to the line in Adams' novel that states the androids were a bunch of mindless jerks who were the first against the wall when the revolution came, rather than their ad campaign 'your plastic pal who is fun to be with'. It is interesting too that this song sounds upbeat, though lyrically is despairing. The other treasure on this is of course 'Karma Police' and when Thom Yorke bemoans, "this is what you get when you mess with us", we believe him. He always sound appropriately downbeat on this album as always, and injects a real sense of hopelessness that resonates with many listeners no doubt. The imagery is downright hypnotically conveyed with Yorke's slow measured delivery, "he talks in maths, he buzzes like a fridge", and "her Hitler hairdo is making me feel ill". Eventually Yorke cries out "I lost myself" and there is a real atmosphere of isolation and alienation in a faceless violent society of control. The song has a lot to say about the fear of police control, and the rise of power in techno society. The opening songs drip down the speakers like honey, very slow and crawling patiently and inexorably to the images of airbag's, homesick aliens, and exit music. The creepy feeling of what it is like to be trapped is conveyed in 'Let Down', with tantalising visions of utter frailty; "crushed like a bug in the ground, shell smashed, juices flowing, wings twitch legs are going". The song evokes the emptiness inside the protagonist and his coke fuelled excesses, bleak to be sure but so powerfully executed. The lyrics are pervasive and unsettling throughout the album. The space rock of 'Subterranean Homesick Alien', a title mimicking Dylan's blues classic, screams out anxiety nausea, "Of all these weird creatures, Who lock up their spirits, Drill holes in themselves, And live for their secrets." The song is about the desire to escape the world and all it's hardships, to figuratively allow an alien to abduct him in to the ship to be taken away forever. Those great lyrics are an incredible stab at fractured society and the lack of belonging "I wish that they'd swoop down in a country lane, Late at night when I'm driving, Take me on board their beautiful ship, Show me the world as I'd love to see it." There is even a ray of hope in these lyrics, that there is a way out of the turmoil, even if it means alien abduction. This hard line of cynicism threads throughout the whole album. Yorke attacks everything from bogus business deals, 'Electioneering', to the cupboard monster 'Climbing Up The Walls'. The monster within the cupboard is of course the childhood nightmare, that impacts adult life in the form of paranoia and fractured personalities. The verses are desperate and a cry from the very heart of a damaged life, "I am the key to the lock in your house, That keeps your toys in the basement. And if you get too far inside, You'll only see my reflection." The music is dynamic and sprinkled with ambience and hard blasts of heavy atmospheres. Glockenspiel blocks on blocks are heard on 'No Surprises', Pink Floyd's spacy nuances are featured on the final two tracks, and throughout, an almost subliminal droning guitar sound that is at times unearthly and sonically ethereal is heard. White noise competes with beauty and delicate embellishments of keyboard. The music is never allowed to drown out the vocals which are perhaps the best that Yorke has performed. The booklet is a real master touch, totally cryptic and compelling; it seems to convey the dark shadows of madness and the blurry undefined decay of social corruption, and is totally open to interpretation. The album rightfully is heralded as the pinnacle of Radiohead, it will be found at the top of all time album lists, and will forever be etched into 1997 as one of the albums of the year. Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - October 20 2014 at 04:34 |
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Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 02 2008 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 14258 |
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Part 32: Prog Poll through the years 1998 Top 15 - Here is the prog poll for definitive albums of 1998. The ordinary 1990s were farewelled with some very good albums but still a lean list to choose from in this turbulent decade for prog. Once again the emphasis was on extreme metal. Absent Lovers - Live in Montreal, 1984 - King Crimson Different Stages - Rush The Visitor - Arena Into The Electric castle - Ayreon The Sound Of Perseverance Death Alternative 4 Anathema Tyranny Shadow Gallery In Extremis Thinking Plague Chaosphere Meshuggah My Arms, Your Hearse Opeth Nightfall In Middle Earth Blind Guardian Symphonic Holocaust Morte Macabre Oceanborn Nightwish Liquid Tension Experiment - Liquid Tension Experiment Flower Power The Flower Kings The results:
The Others: Dots and Loops Stereolab Interesting posts:
Lots of great stuff : Colorstar (Heavenanicetrip) CAP (Robin delle Stelle), Mary Newsletter (Distratto del Sole), Malibran's Citta sul Lago, Lynne's The Void, Lands End- Natural Selection, Like Wendy - The Storm Inside and Eloy's Ocean II. All brilliant. And:
Oddly enough I don't see a lot of titles in my collection from that year that I actually got that year:
Amos, Tori from the choirgirl hotel Genesis Fox Lies Down A Tribute to Genesis (Various Artists), The Marillion Radiation Pere Ubu Pennsylvania AND THE WINNER IS... My Review:
The best Rush live album is a 3 CD feast of all that is great about the power trio. The CDs are all over an hour of pure proto metal and feature a wide variety of tracks from most of the classic albums. It works as a kind of live greatest Rush tracks as this features the legendary songs that have made them so popular. There have been other live albums of course, namely 1976 All the World's a Stage, 1981 Exit... Stage Left, and 1989 A Show of Hands but those albums are more or less promotional tools when the band were touring respective albums. Nine years later they have released this penultimate live experience and unlike previous live albums this one features a much greater range of tracks spannign all their albums. The live tracks featured are taken from classic Rush as well as the more recent at the time 1994 Counterparts and 1997 Test for Echo tours. CD 3 is a terrific nostalgic romp through the classic material performed during 1978 A Farewell to Kings tour. There are no complaints if you are into high quality proto metal or prog. Highlights include: on CD 1 - Nobody's Hero (5:00); Closer To The Heart (5:13); 2112: (21:29) the full vesion! On Cd 2 Test For Echo (6:15); Freewill (5:36); Leave that thing alone (4:46); Natural science (8:06) - the first time I had heard this leading me to buy the actual album. On CD 3 Bastille Day (5:00); By-Tor and the snow dog (5:05); Xanadu (12:17); Farewell to kings (6:07); Cygnus X-1 (10:23); Anthem (4:39). With all those highlights and more this is an irresistible album for the Rush addict. I rate it as high as possible as it the absolute best live record for the band thus far. Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - October 20 2014 at 04:45 |
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Part 33: Prog Poll through the years 1999 Top 15 - Here is the prog poll for definitive albums of 1999. This list saw the end of the 1990s and ushered in the new phase of prog. The new millennium would see the rise of prog ascending to an outstanding quality and quantity unprecedented since the 1970s Golden Era. Metropolis Part II: Scenes From A Memory Dream Theater Still Life Opeth Typical (Solo Performances) Peter Hammill Live In America - Pδr Lindh Project BBC 1974 - Londres Magma Αgζtis Byrjun Sigur Ros Liquid Tension Experiment 2 - Liquid Tension Experiment Judgement Anathema Rajaz Camel From Within - Anekdoten One Hour By The Concrete Lake Pain Of Salvation The Spirit of Autumn Past Mostly Autumn Waterfall Cities Ozric Tentacles The Ladder Yes The results:
The Others: Interesting posts:
Waterfall Cities by the Ozrics is pretty cool but DFA 's second , the debut Sunscape, Tempus Fugit's Dawn After the Storm and Solaris' Nostradamus are all mesmerizing. Plus a few others by Finisterre, Shine Dion, Colin Bass, Anima Dominum and the savvy Anekdoten And this: Other: The Fall Of The House Of Usher (Hammill) AND THE WINNER IS... My Review:
***** Scenes From a Memory is the Magnum Opus of Prog metal legends Dream Theater and I must admit I first heard this on the brilliant live Scenes from New York 3 CD epic. I had become quite used to the way it was played live so it was quite a surprise to hear the variations on this studio recording. The first thing I noticed was the incredible production and how clear the audio is in comparison to the live version. The transitions between songs works exceptionally well and the concept is stronger with the spoken narrative. The way the CD ends with the 'wake up' call is chilling and is an excellent denouement to the overall story.
Highlights are the wonderful Beyond This Life and the last tracks that blend together in a masterful symphonic multisuite movement. It is definitely one of the best the band has to offer along with Images and Words, Octavarium and the amazing classic 6 Degrees of inner Turbulence. One of the best prog metal CDs you will ever hear. Deep lyrics, complex time signatures and an encapsulating concept - this is pure bliss and a must if you love progressive metal. Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - October 20 2014 at 04:51 |
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Special Collaborator RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14117 |
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I can't believe that Rajaz obtained only 5 votes
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Anyone wants to vote on the 2000-2009 polls, do so soon as I will be closing the polls in a month or so.
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Learning to Live isn't on Scenes from a Memory...
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"Xitintoday" by Nik Turner is much more original than "Hemispheres", which does not really offer anything new. unfortunately it has the disadvantage that hardly anyone knows it because it was not available for over 25 years. however, here it is in all its glory; listen to it for yourselves: |
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
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Hi,
Here is my own review of this and I took the liberty of using the original review as a spring board. Thx Atomic. I just posted this and I might add some others ... while also adding a copy of this to my website ... hope you guys like it ... I might take a couple of other albums in these lists ... just noticed that some line breaks were missing ... I'll check the review as well.
"In the Court of the Crimson King" was the first album by the group "King Crimson". When it first appeared it was quite a shock to many listeners, similar to The Beatles White Album, which defied description and challenged your perception of music and where you stood, or thought you understood these things. Somehow, at the time, not many people thought as much about "pop music", or gave it some credit for literacy, which is usually not associated with popular top ten songs in Billboard or Top of the Pops. As the years have passed, and it is now 2010, this album gets a lot more reviews and comments than The Beatles' White Album and I think this is well deserved. That is not to say that The Beatles had lost their touch, they had not, and their last album was the next one voted in this particular list of albums. Abbey Road, however, was not the "anti- topofthepops" that "The White Album" had been and indeed, it appears that the fracture in the band had already caused issues and prevented the music from being better, or at least from just being a bunch of songs, and every member on their own trip, which is very clear in both of those albums, and the album "Let It Be". Like many of the more outlandish rock bands in those days, this King Crimson album featured a lot of things ... and the small list added above is a very good example of some of the things found in the album ... however, one should appreciate the fact that many of these had been happening for some time in many other artist's repertoire ... with one exception ... you did not see them all in the same album! So, in this album you will find a lot of weird things, jagged guitar licks, weird drum time signatures, massive keyboard sounds, and specially with a mellotron. As for influences, this would be a bit harder to define ... one could say that this piece appears to be towards jazz, this one towards rock, but how do you define this other piece and that other piece? But there are some things that tell you that this whole album is done by people that have a conscience and an attitude. It may not be quite as visible or as important today (2010) since we have nothing to fight for anymore, but let's start with the very first piece on the album. 21st Century Schizoid Man The harsh guitar attack right at the front of it all, leads the way ... and singer Greg Lake lets you have it ... ...
At paranoia's poison door
Twenty first century schizoid man.
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Blood rack barbed wire
Politicians' funeral pyre
Innocents raped with napalm fire
Twenty first century schizoid man.
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Death seed blind man's greed
Poets' starving children bleed
Nothing he's got he really needs
Twenty first century schizoid man.
It doesn't take any smarts to realize the socio-political commentary of this whole thing. From VietNam (Napalm fire reference) to Oil to politician's funeral pyre (IRA conflict) ... and the guitar attack right out front. I've always thought that the guitar licks were almost the same thing as the images that you saw on the TV, and the brutal violence of it all, and the point, TO ME, was ... what are you going to do about it? It was not about it being "progressive" or anything else. It was about your own conscience and your ability and desire to take action and help change the insanity in this world ... the 21st Century Schizoid Man was the maniac that you saw with guns in their hand ... because he wanted the oil and the money it could bring ... ohh, by the way, have things changed much? ... and you can see the importance of something like this is likely to last out a lot more than ... a lot of other music out there. Greg Lake's voice, is as important here as the album itself ... why? There is a screaming/shouting/and cynical/satirical edge that helps make the point, where a regular singer would not sound as important or create such a strong impact. It's hard to think of this song as just guitar, saxophone and breaks and time changes ... without the lyrics spoken in the right spot, the ability to accentuate a meaning dries up ... and that is not something that happens in this whole album. More on this later. I Talk to the Wind More of a folk song than anything else, with soft vocals by Greg Lake, and the woodwinds by Ian McDonald ... and it is one of those pieces that stands out, more because of the contrast to the opening piece than anything else, but unlike most rock bands or conventional and popular music bands, these lyrics are a continuation of the 1st piece. Check this out:
... I'm on the outside looking inside What do I see Much confusion,
disillusion All around me.
...
I talk to the wind
My words are all carried away
I talk to the wind
The wind does not hear
The wind cannot hear.
It's actually a very sad song, because it KNOWS that it has a voice and an opinion and wants to help create change ... but no one listens or cares? ... actually one could say that the wind is at fault since it carries your words and does not bring the meaning in to you ... or you would hear it! And, know it! I'm particular to that thought and feeling ... because too much that is said is often ignored and not appreciated or (as is the case here in the board) understood, and quite often you get a group of people that are ... quite simply ... not interested at all. Epitath The next song, if not one of the most important of the album, is without a doubt one of the prettiest things ever done in rock music anywhere. And it is a massive eulogy to the many innocent vitims of corruption and wars that mean absolutely so little to most people, except those that wish to take advantage of whatever natural resourses in some form. With a stunning opening scene that is better than almost any movie ever made, and the best imagery that any literature can offer ... or the prettiest painting you ever saw ... that gave you ugliness, such a perfect image to illustrate so much of the 20th century and its wars ...
The wall on which the prophets wrote Is cracking at the seams.
Upon the instruments of death
The sunlight brightly gleams.
When every man is torn apart
With nightmares and with dreams,
Will no one lay the laurel wreath
As silence drowns the screams.
... (and then it closes with)
... Confusion will be my epitaph. As I crawl a cracked and broken path
If we make it we can all sit back and laugh.
But I fear tomorrow I'll be crying,
Yes I fear tomorrow I'll be crying. ...
There is no such emotion, and amazing imagery, in most lyrics and music anywhere. Most of the rock lyrics hope to tell you a story with insipid lyrics and ideas that are trying to make any band come off as relevant, and in the end, it is vacuous and not important ... it's just trying to make sense and sound important ... but it rarely can reach the heights and level that these lyrics and poetry can. The larger special point to be made here is how it is sung. Greg Lake is NOT an average singer, and in fact, I like to joke that he can't sing at all. But when it comes to "acting" and "accentuating" words and moments, there are not many in the music business that are any better than what his work examples have done. In a business where we worry about tenor, baritone and rock singer and whatever else description we can give it, in the end, we can see why so many people that love rock music do not enjoy a lot of classical materials, like Opera ... can you imagine a Greg Lake singing in Turandot? ... oh my gawd ... she would die after the first set of words. Can you imagine Greg Lake as Siegfried challenging the Gods? ... yeah ... it's very different from a song about some bitch or some girl that left you behind! With one of the prettiest sounding mixes of keyboards, mellotron this song stands out as an anthem for the ages, and the kind that will be remembered for a long time to come. It is the ultimate conscientious objector Anthem, and stands out like Jimi's American Anthem at Woodstock or Toni McPhee's endearing version of Amazing Grace prior to that. If there is a God, or a theme, or a heart ... you won't find many out there that even come close. Lyrics, regardless of where they come from can make or break something. Poems can kill, or lead people to war. But pure heart and soul, is hard to ignore. And it has been with us for hundreds of years in many forms and idioms, and this is one of the finest examples of what poetry and music can do ... it's not just the lyrics ... it's everything else wrapped up in one. Moonchild ... She's a moonchild
Gathering the flowers in a garden.
Lovely moonchild
Drifting on the echoes of the hours. ...
Like the soft piece before it (I Talk To The Wind), this one comes and goes, and you don't know what to make of it. Sometimes, when I hear this, I think of the "hippie" thing and ideal that led to many communes and pictures of women dressed up as angels and other rather insulting images for the male ego. But the image sticks. The song lingers. The loveliness of the woman lingers. Your experience lingers. But sadly what could be considered one of the inspirations for those days got lost in the abuse of drugs, sex, and many other indulgences. We lost sight of the vision and everything that it meant ... There is an interesting story and corolary here. Aleister Crowley wrote a novel called "Moonchild" ... and like his other novel, "Diary of a Drug Fiend" these are both outstanding works ... and Moonchild was the story of a girl that was ... and you have to read it for yourself.
A lot can be said about the improvisations and the images that helped create some of that work, that appear to be just some meanderings in music with little attention to anything else. Things like Moonchild come off like they were what is called in theater "guided explorations" which are often done in very advanced acting classes and these usually end up defining the difference between the "boys and the men" and the "women from the girls", the words taken with lots of salt and sugar of course. The point is that you see something on a screen, let's say, and the visual shows a girl picking up flowers and you would play what comes to mind to fit the mood of the film ... very much as if it were a soundtrack for the visual. This is something that some people can stand, when you close your eyes and allow the images to flow with the music or the lyrics. The problem is that there are many folks that are not capable of doing that and they "have to be told" by the lyrics what it is all about ... and when that happens the Shelley'esque poetry goes right out the door and is not understood or appreciated.
Not all improvisations are just meanderings into nothing and back. Theater and film actoing schools (the advanced ones not the rest) use a lot more exercises that help you develop that "inner" character in order for the performance to get stronger. All the major groups across the world live by similar processes and that is the main reason why they are so well known. There is no reason to believe that musicians are not intelligent enough to not want to experiment and learn something else about what they do ... with the exception of the rock music ego, that thinks that the world can not experiment or try different things that are not "music". Actually the same thing happens in academic circles. The results in these things vary. In general, for most acting exercises, it is the directors' calls and changes and little things thrown here and there that cause the process to change and each character (in this case instrument) have to update itself and adjust to the feeling at hand, and this is something that most "prog" drummers can not do when all they are concerned with is "time" ... and in the picture that you are "coloring" the time changes ... and you are not changing it? ... or adjusting? The Court of the Crimson King This is the last song in the album and it is a long one with massive layers of keyboards and mellotron like the song before (Epitath). And while I, personally, do not think that this is a massive anthem like 2 other songs in this album, it still stands out ... but for another reason. The lyrics.
It's hard not to appreciate the cynic here and the view from the "Fool's" eyes. In essence the whole thing is like saying that in the end we're nothing but puppets on a string in a much bigger court ... it's a wonderful analogy for the state of affairs politically and philosophically and what the 20th century had become ... ideas don't matter any more and no one cares any more and business interests run a muck and do what they want and convince you along the way they are funny and witty ... and you cry and scream fighting for these ideals and die for them sometimes. Someone had a thread on one board on how evil this was. It is not evil. It is just like any other story about the King and the Fool and everything else around them ... and how one manipulates the others, and in the end, all that is left is a song, a few words, a poem ... and even them it doesn't mean much ... specially when today, we're talking 2010, this album is discussed as a major work in "progressive rock" and the rest of the artistic concept and design is totally left behind. This is much more than a "progressive rock" album and that concept is nothing compared to the importance of the album itself, not only to the time and day when it came out, but today, in September 2010 and any time after today ... it's still important. And it stands up because both the mucis and the lyrics are so direct and such a strong screen shot of a day and age and time that we want to remember the music, but not what it created, including the hurt, the anger, the wars, the bombings, nameless acts ... that were all shown on your television in that day and age. Few albums have that much importance! And this album deserves the credit for one of the most intelligent and defining moment of my generation, people that I am proud to stand up for because they meant a lot more than some other ideas and concepts that were simply defined by advertising and social belief! But you must choose ... if you like to have your strings pulled, or if you want to be the player. I side with the artist and the player. ... The yellow jester does not play But gently pulls the strings
And smiles as the puppets dance
In the court of the crimson king.
Lastly, is the discussion into what became known as "progressive music" many years later. I, personally, do not think that when you have your center in the right place and you know what you believe in and what you want to try and what you want to accomplish with your art ... that a whole new world reaches out to you. That world is one that is unknown to many folks and even scary for 95% of all the musicians out there. Why? ... how do you keep track of everything and stay together ... the answer my friend, lies in the wind ... and not the drum beat ... and what that tells you is that the musician and person that is asking the question is not listening to that wind! ... and that is what "I talk in the Wind" and "Moonchild" are so important to this album ... trying to help you see ... but sadly all we can think of is some kind of improvisational this or that which makes it some kind of fusion that we can't define, and it takes away from the music itself, the moment and ... most importantly its very soul. Music, is about "expression" ... and very few musicians are talented enough to know the difference between notes and scales and art. One you can listen and call "progressive" or "prog". The other you live and die with and love every minute of it. The opening song itself is about "megalomania" if you will with a political edge ... but in other ways it was also an attack on a lot of music at the time that was noisy, loud and did not have a whole lot of strength behind it. To me, that is also an important edge in this album ... that "noise" and "loud" can also be good and important, not just a Rolling Stones concert, which was usually too loud ... and often out of tune too! And it's hard to separate that megalomania and "star" think in the history of rock music ... even if the progressive contingent wants to separate itself from the over blown "stars" of rock music ... and in the end create another group of stars .... progressive is a lot less about the individual than it is about the music, and this is one thing that we tend to forget, and must understand first of all. It is important for us to realize that a lot of "progressive" music came out of a lot of experimentation and improvisation and that a lot of the music was cleaned up and then lyrics added. It might be said that sometimes the lyrics were there and then the music was added and that is definitly a possibility when you are looking at lyrics in this album by Pete Sinfield. Although not a major poet at the time, what he did write was solid enough to give him some credit for his work, and all it took was one group of musicians that had enough respect for some wonderful words ... to be able to find some music that fit the whole thing beautifully ... and you can't say that about The Beatles or anyone else! At least you will have a hard time listing these in one finger. This album is not, for me, the best of them all, in terms of the top of the progressive list, but it certainly is one of the top ten albums and a definite must listen. However, this is not a good listen, in general, for today's (2010) audience of metal and prog and some other genre's that are quite meaningless when placed next to something like this. You either appreciate a time and a place and its music ... or you simply are not someone that enjoys music ... for music, in the end, is not about jagged pills or mellotrons or synthesizers ... it's about the very heart that created what it did ... and this album is by far one of the very best ever in that area. Few albums can stand up to that kind of strength, unity, design and above all .. BEAUTY! |
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Great review here moshkito - very well thought out, collated and reflected upon.
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Thx so kindly for the nice words.
I'll try to add more as time allows, and the German and French scene is the one I want to go after more than anything else ... but, it really scares me to write some of these things, since I came with "all the arts" and was in theater and film along with music. And being in a literature house (45k books of portuguese, spanish and brazilian literature) ... should give you a pretty big idea of where I come from when I am writing these things. And some of the comments I get in this board ... is scary at times ... like history is not important and that we're old codgers that don't know music!
I am passionate about the "quotidian" studies of these things. Most music doesn't make sense on its own out in the middle of the universe right by Pluto in the 24 1/2 century! But when you place the White Album next to London at the time, or KC, or Pink Floyd and Soft Machine ... and check out that one movie that has so little and yet has so much in it ... all the names ... and the artists ... all the writers ... and ... the music ... and Robert Wyatt standing up and doing an ABC in the middle of all that "cavalry" ... could almost be considered "insolence" ... but the open'ess of the time and the arts involved made other points about the music that we dismiss ... like we take "jazz" too seriously?
A million bands would love to have the guts ... to be relevant and make a name for themselves in art history ... but only those that stand up to be counted will ever be remembered ... and this is the legacy of "progressive" music ... and the larger part that we miss and need to add to make this music more important and visible. Edited by moshkito - September 09 2010 at 15:52 |
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moshkito
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1967 for me ... was a very rough year.
What helped me make through it was ... you guessed it ... music!
Madison, Wisconsin! Small city with big university with 50k students ... that take over for 9 months out of the year. The city jumps and dances and is active like crazy and has so many arts and music coming and going ... never stops! And the albums at the time I had were, Beatles (of course), Rolling Stones (stopped after Exile), Moody Blues (I guess this was the poetic version of music then for me!), Jimi Hendrix and Arthur Brown and Jefferson Airplane and Doors. And of course ... Creedence! So let's play Foreign Son and Epitath back to back shall we? ... ohhh add Jimi and the anthem right after it and then Toni's Amazing Grace! ... and if we're bored, Willie Nelson's right behind it!
Of all these albums, I would agree that The Beatles was the best known and certainly the most ... outrageous thing out there ... that really got people's motors running ... because it was so different ... and since it sold gigantic, radio had to play it. And as soon as it did, you immediately heard about the White Rabbit, and the one about the Lighting the Fire, and the one on Purple Haze ... which btw was not the original hit ... Foxy Lady was because too many people thought that a drug reference was bad!!!!! .... and the odd one was the God of Hell Fire! I also had heard Jethro Tull but it was not on the radio ... it was at a party where everyone was very ripped and it was there that I also heard Fairport Convention and Pentangle.
It was a time when ... it was cool and far out to listen to new things and no one sat there tripping on "prog" or "jazz" or "rock'n'roll" ... people appreciated the music and a lot of the words that were used for the lyrics.
Looking back in time, I agree that The Beatles are the biggest of the albums and most important ... it blew out the tires in popular radio and opened the waves to new music ... that otherwise would have had a very hard time being heard. Not to mention that one big song out there was out right about tripping ... Purple Haze!
To me, when things like Vanilla Fudge and Deep Purple got there, it was already a come down from the quality of the music. It was more unabashed rock music and less "art" in my book, and I have never thought that these bands were important and one would be hard pressed to match any DP lyric next to Epitath ... and try to find any relevancy in between ... it simply was not that important and was more loud instrument bashing (at the time Deep Purple were known to be one of the loudest out there) ... which turned me off completely since when you listened to almost any of these albums above, with the exception of one of them, the fidelity and quality of the work did not require "loudness" ... but ... it made your ears ring when you were ripped and that had the effect fo rmaking you think that the trip was even better!
(more later - I'm at work)
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AtomicCrimsonRush.....you are my hero!! I have read this blog probably 4-5x but this is my first post here. It is eye opening to see how the voting has gone, you certainly get a pretty good feel of who the main prog artists are. Not only from a popularity stand point, but as you have pointed out in your reviews from a musical, lyrical and stylistic point of view.
I'm 46 and certainly can relate to all the "changes" in prog since the mid 70's. Some of the years you can feel the prog mood just disappearing in general...but then there are a few bands that did an amazing job of keeping the prog flame burning.....and still today are putting out some amazing material.
I have tried to keep an open mind in the blog, and because of that I really have no critique of your work.....Its well done, well thought out and complete...in my mind.
Look forward to more........fantastic job!!!!
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moshkito
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Hi, There is only one problem with all that stuff that Atomic posted ... the SOB has now fatten'd my list from 110 albums to 435 albums ... and I have no idea how the fudges I can afford all that or when I'll be able to listen to half of that!
And I'm not a "song" listener ... I have to hear the whole album! .... so things like youtube is crap for me!
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