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Dorsalia 
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 Posted: June 04 2010 at 00:40 |
 thellama73 wrote:
^So in your mind, companies should deliberately lose money, otherwise they're screwing over the workers?
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Dude, I've heard of oversimplifying, but you just won the world cup.
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"Es ist übrigens unmöglich, eine Meinung zu haben, ohne dass es unerfreuliche Überschneidungen gibt. Die Grünen sind für den deutschen Wald, die NPD ebenfalls."
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thellama73
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Posted: June 04 2010 at 00:19 |
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^So in your mind, companies should deliberately lose money, otherwise they're screwing over the workers?
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 04 2010 at 00:14 |
thellama73 wrote:
Apparently Moore thinks that a profit making industry is suppose to continue to operate plants that are losing money because the people who work there refuse to move out of their hometown and find other jobs.
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People actually abandoned Detroit in droves. The jobs they could get didn't pay what the old ones did. But hey, as long as the system works to benefit the elite at the expense of the workers, what the hell?
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Dorsalia
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Posted: June 04 2010 at 00:05 |
thellama73 wrote:
Apparently Moore thinks that a profit making industry is suppose to continue to operate plants that are losing money because the people who work there refuse to move out of their hometown and find other jobs.
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"Es ist übrigens unmöglich, eine Meinung zu haben, ohne dass es unerfreuliche Überschneidungen gibt. Die Grünen sind für den deutschen Wald, die NPD ebenfalls."
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 03 2010 at 23:47 |
thellama73 wrote:
I'm late on this thread, but I have a couple of things to say about it.
1) I've only seen one Michael Moore film (Roger and Me) and I thought it was the stupidest thing ever.
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So what say your, rabbits. Pet or meat? And if you think Roger & Me was the stupidest thing ever, you really should get out moore.
Edited by Slartibartfast - June 04 2010 at 00:14
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thellama73
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Posted: June 03 2010 at 19:04 |
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I'm late on this thread, but I have a couple of things to say about it.
1) I've only seen one Michael Moore film (Roger and Me) and I thought it was the stupidest thing ever. Apparently Moore thinks that a profit making industry is suppose to continue to operate plants that are losing money because the people who work there refuse to move out of their hometown and find other jobs. I wonder how he would respond to demands that he produce movies that lose money in order to help feed the poor cameramen and gaffers.
2) The Bible is the most influential document in Western Civilization. No education is remotely complete without knowing about it. Obviously it should not be taught as gospel in public schools, but basic Biblical literacy is essential to every American, Brit, Spaniard, Italian, Frenchman and German (plus some others I'm leaving out.)
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UndercoverBoy
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Posted: June 03 2010 at 18:25 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
I voted "some of the time" because of what I've heard about Bowling For Columbine. I didn't want to see it, though... Now shoot me  |
Strangely, I didn't care for seeing it either, but now I do.
Edited by UndercoverBoy - June 03 2010 at 18:28
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UndercoverBoy
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Posted: June 03 2010 at 18:24 |
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I don't think that there is anything wrong with being biased in a documentary that is meant to persuade. Of course, you only make your argument stronger by displaying the opposite side's claims and challenging them. Media that's meant to inform, that's a different story.
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JJLehto
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Posted: June 03 2010 at 15:00 |
JLocke wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Agree with him?
Meh....more or less.
However, I don't really know his actual views. After all, those movies are clearly biased. I liked them, and agree I generally agree with him, but those movies may be some of the most biased pieces of work I've ever seen. But yeah, more I less I do.
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Care to explain why biased in Mike's case is a bad thing? Fox News is extremely biased and they claim to be fair and balanced. Mike is biased but makes no claims to be otherwise. It's one of those cases where there is right and wrong and giving equal time or pretending that wrong is OK is just stupid.
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But Michael Moore DOESN'T give equal time. He edits the footage of his opposers to make them look ridiculous fairly often, then depicts his side of the argument as if it's impossible to argue with it. That's not just biased, that's unfair. Plenty of people on TV are biased, but few of them are ever as unfair as Mr. Moore is. If he would truly show both sides of the argument evenly, he could badmouth the opposite side all he wants, and I would still respect him a lot more.
Fox News sucks, too.
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I agree with you. He IS more biased then a lot out there, he does edit it alot, and makes opponents look stupid rather than wrong. I wholeheartedly agree it'd be better if he could give the other side, and just argue it down, (which is how a good debater does it). But as for unequal time...that does happen with all. For school I actually timed the duration of guests, as well as their talking time and how often they were let to talk, and of course their agreement/disagreement with the host. Almost all shows give unequal time. Fox and MSNBC (which I do watch) are pretty damn bad. But all are to some extent.
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JJLehto
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Posted: June 03 2010 at 14:54 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Agree with him?
Meh....more or less.
However, I don't really know his actual views. After all, those movies are clearly biased. I liked them, and agree I generally agree with him, but those movies may be some of the most biased pieces of work I've ever seen. But yeah, more I less I do.
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Care to explain why biased in Mike's case is a bad thing? Fox News is extremely biased and they claim to be fair and balanced. Mike is biased but makes no claims to be otherwise. It's one of those cases where there is right and wrong and giving equal time or pretending that wrong is OK is just stupid.
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I don't have a problem with it, and as you said he never did claim to be fair. Don't even get me started on FOX....  but you know me, just have to always throw it out there. Although there are obviously ALOT of people that may not be....sharp enough, to pick up on it and just believe him blindly. But I guess that happens with a lot of things.
Edited by JJLehto - June 03 2010 at 14:56
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JLocke
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Posted: June 03 2010 at 14:54 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Agree with him?
Meh....more or less.
However, I don't really know his actual views. After all, those movies are clearly biased. I liked them, and agree I generally agree with him, but those movies may be some of the most biased pieces of work I've ever seen. But yeah, more I less I do.
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Care to explain why biased in Mike's case is a bad thing? Fox News is extremely biased and they claim to be fair and balanced. Mike is biased but makes no claims to be otherwise. It's one of those cases where there is right and wrong and giving equal time or pretending that wrong is OK is just stupid.
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But Michael Moore DOESN'T give equal time. He edits the footage of his opposers to make them look ridiculous fairly often, then depicts his side of the argument as if it's impossible to argue with it. That's not just biased, that's unfair. Plenty of people on TV are biased, but few of them are ever as unfair as Mr. Moore is. If he would truly show both sides of the argument evenly, he could badmouth the opposite side all he wants, and I would still respect him a lot more.
Fox News sucks, too.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: June 03 2010 at 13:51 |
I voted "some of the time" because of what I've heard about Bowling For Columbine. I didn't want to see it, though... Now shoot me
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Conor Fynes
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Posted: June 03 2010 at 13:49 |
That guy makes a living being a jerk, and making other people look stupid... HES MY HERO 
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 03 2010 at 11:57 |
JJLehto wrote:
Agree with him?
Meh....more or less.
However, I don't really know his actual views. After all, those movies are clearly biased. I liked them, and agree I generally agree with him, but those movies may be some of the most biased pieces of work I've ever seen. But yeah, more I less I do.
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Care to explain why biased in Mike's case is a bad thing? Fox News is extremely biased and they claim to be fair and balanced. Mike is biased but makes no claims to be otherwise. It's one of those cases where there is right and wrong and giving equal time or pretending that wrong is OK is just stupid.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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JJLehto
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Posted: June 02 2010 at 19:55 |
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Agree with him?
Meh....more or less.
However, I don't really know his actual views. After all, those movies are clearly biased. I liked them, and agree I generally agree with him, but those movies may be some of the most biased pieces of work I've ever seen. But yeah, more I less I do.
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Icarium
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Posted: June 02 2010 at 17:04 |
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the only game you need is Deluxe Skii Jump totaly addictive, my favourite games are Tekken series I realy like to kick some virtual ases.
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JLocke
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Posted: June 02 2010 at 16:21 |
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UndercoverBoy
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Posted: June 02 2010 at 16:21 |
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Okay, just be glad I restrained from PSI Starstorming this thread.
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Epignosis
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Posted: June 02 2010 at 16:19 |
UndercoverBoy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
We are.
Manly video games. With guns.
What the f**k's a frying pan, anyway?
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Well, it does increase your offense by 10...
I was never a fan of shooters anyway.
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I'm just nessin with ya man. 
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UndercoverBoy
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Posted: June 02 2010 at 16:15 |
Epignosis wrote:
We are.
Manly video games. With guns.
What the f**k's a frying pan, anyway?
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Well, it does increase your offense by 10...
I was never a fan of shooters anyway.
Edited by UndercoverBoy - June 02 2010 at 16:16
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