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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

I can't do a top 10 at the moment - because I think I haven't given some of these CD's the attention they deserve.
For my Birthday I got - The first Ayreon CD (The final experiment),  Giult machine, on this perfect day (another Luccasen effort and very good) and The tangent, The world that we drive through - I haven't listened to two of these yet....Not in too good spirits as I'm about to be made redundant !!!
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That's really sad news, Barney - sorry, and I hope that something else comes along real soon.

Happy birthday anyway, though.Smile
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Roine was awesome at the Transatlantic concert in London last night.

A true star in fact.

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The wife and I, Barney and his youngest son went to the Transatlantic gig on Saturday and what a fabulous show that was. 
 
The rendition of the Whirlwind was superb, in fact everything was.  Musically the band were outstanding and it was great to see a really large crowd in for this.  The sound mix was spot on too.  Absolutely fantastic stuff and one of the best gigs I've ever seen.
 
The band really seemed to have a great time and being the last night of the tour they had some fun too.  A little excerpt of Highway Star in the middle of Duel With The Devil made me laugh.  We even had the scenario of Morse on drums, Portnoy on bass and Trewavas on keys at one point LOL.  Hell, even Gildenlow had a go on the drumstool!  Morse sounds a decent drummer too!!  Only Roine didn't get involved in the exchanging of instruments/roles, but I guess that's just Roine.
 
I also managed to pick up The Power Of Two as well as a tour t-shirt Thumbs Up.
 
Incidentally, we won't hear from Barney for a week as he is now off on his holidays to Greece.  His youngest son is a real proggie too, so nice work there Barney.
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Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

Adam and Eve is growing on me finally, I've been really digging the title track lately and the rest of the CD is pretty good as well.  I'd probably rank it above "Back in the World" and "The Rainmaker" at this point, maybe even Stardust.  (Stardust We Are as an album has really dropped in my appreciation level since I original got it.)
 
I've never understood the flak that A&E gets.  Sure there's a few quirky songs but some great ones too.  Both epics are top-notch (although Love Supreme does nod a little too much in the direction of Yes early in the piece) and one of TFK's best shorter tracks Babylon is there too.
 

Well, to be honest my problem with it is that I don't find it the least bit "quirky", with the exception of A Vampires View.  When compared to many other prog albums by many other bands, it's still a damn good album.  But when I compare it to every other Flower Kings album, it just doesn't measure up at all I'm sorry to say.  Probably due to the fact that it contains the only two Flower Kings epics I don't much like (Driver's Seat is not bad, but doesn't work for me, and Love Supreme just gets on my nerves.......the main melodies I just find "supremely" cheesy).  I also don't like Cosmic Circus or Starlight Man at all, though I've never much cared for any of the short and poppy FK songs in the vein of those two.

So, despite many attempts to love it, it's still my least favorite FK album by far.  Even Rainmaker, which used to be my least favorite prior to A&E, has risen in the ranks over the years (somewhere in the lower middle in my FK ratings).

As to Stardust, I can agree that the second CD has some less than stellar tracks on it (Different People and Kingdom of Lies have never appealed to me much........and the a couple of the "interludes" seem kind of pointless).  But on the whole, as a complete work, I still think it's brilliant and one of their top 5 albums for me.

But nothing has changed my top two, Retropolis followed by Unfold The Future, in the past 8 years.



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infandous, I also found the main melodies to "Love Supreme" too cheesy..at first, but over time, I grew to like them, and then one day the whole song just clicked.  I wouldn't call it one of my favorites, but it is definitely up there...it would be in my top 30 now.

Overall, A&E was definitely disappointing to me at first, but it has been a big time grower, and I like it a lot now.  Plus, it sounds tremendous.  The bass sounds very rich and deep, and the drums sound fantastic.  That is definitely one of their best "sounding" albums to date. 

Other favorites are "Driver's Seat" and "Timelines."  I also do not like "Starlight Man" (great verses and main guitar line, but Froberg's vocals sound way too wussy singing that limp chorus) very much, and the title cut is pretty iffy.  The rest is good.

A&E is still probably only my 8th favorite TFK record (ahead of The Rainmaker and The Sum of No Evil), but that says more about how strong their catalog is as a whole than it is an indictment of that particular record. 
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^ I think you are pretty much saying what I said, only we have slightly different likes and dislikes on that album.  I rate it a couple slots lower than you as well.

There is no doubt that that album is one of the best sounding albums I've ever heard, production wise.  But this creates another problem for me, in that it just seems that more focus was put on the production than on the music.  Probably not really true, but in some ways I find it just too crystal clear, if that makes sense.  Probably if the music worked better for me, this would end up as a plus, I don't know (I like it when Wilson does it with PTree albums).

Anyway, I've listened to the album since it came out 7 years ago (and I played it once or twice a day for several weeks, hoping it would click more), and it still has not risen in my FK album rankings.  I think I mentioned in my post though that taken out of the context of the Flower Kings, it is still a very good album.  But I have to say even now that, had that been my first FK album, I'm not sure I would have explored any further (unless I heard from others that it was their worst maybe).

However, I'm going to pull that one out soon and listen, as it's been probably more than a year since I've listened to it (though I've heard songs from it on Carpe Diem and The Road Back Home in that time).  But I really just can't see it rising in my rankings (possibly going higher than Rainmaker, but that is pretty much it).
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I wanted to make a mention of The Sum Of No Evil, since someone had said it was their least favorite FK album I think.

When it came out and I was listening to it for the first half a dozen times, I was more excited than I'd been about an FK album since Space Revolver.  I thought it was a great return to form (so to speak......I love Paradox Hotel for the most part) of my favorite period of theirs, the first 5 albums.

However, with that album, the more I've listened to it, the more I find it lacking.  I think what is missing for me is the diversity, the short interludes and the spacey bits.  It is an incredibly dense album, which, much like Unfold The Future, does do a lot to satisfy the sympho prog freak in me.  But unlike Unfold, it is again missing the shorter tunes, the more laid back moments and the experimental interludes.  Again, the diversity.

Still, it ranks above A&E and The Rainmaker for me, and is possibly on par with Back In The World and The Flower King in my rankings, so I guess I'd still say it's a great album.  But it's one of those that I thought was fantastic initially and over time have become considerably less enthusiastic about.  But like all their albums, it's still great when compared to most other bands and albums in my collection.
 
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Heh, I actually rank The Sum of No Evil as one of my favourite albums of all time and it hasn't lost any of it's charm over time. Probably the main reason I like The Sum Of No Evil more than other TFK albums is that I think it's their most consistent release. All four long tracks on the album are excellent and the two shorter ones are nice as well. I really do like Stardust We Are and Unfold the Future for example, but I still think there's some filler on those albums.
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I still consider "One More Time" by far their most boring "longer" song ever.  I tried it again the other day, and it still sounded just boring.  I can count on one hand the number of TFK songs I simply do not care for, and "One More Time" is one of 'em.  The others (counting "real" songs, not short interludes or stuff like that) are "Vox Humana," "Sword of God" and "Starlight Man." 

The problem with TSONE for me is that, while the other five songs are all good, none of them blow me away or anything like that.  I recently did a top 50 TFK songs list for fun, and that was the only TFK CD that didn't have a single song on it.  The other 9 studio albums all had at least 2 songs each. 

infandous, your UTF vs. TSONE comparison is very interesting, and has a lot of merit to it.  I love many of those short songs and interludes that frequently dot their albums, especially the double ones.   Plus, I don't feel the vocal melodies that Froberg sings on TSONE are strong at all, and that works against the greater good for me, as I feel that his voice has the tendency to sound too wimpy at times, especially when singing vocal melodies that are either not particularly strong.

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Didn't realize this thread was resurrected! Clap

Figured that I should let you guys know that I saw Transatlantic live in Philly on April 24th... and it was the best concert I've EVER seen. I wrote a review for it somewhere...

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Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

Didn't realize this thread was resurrected! Clap

Figured that I should let you guys know that I saw Transatlantic live in Philly on April 24th... and it was the best concert I've EVER seen. I wrote a review for it somewhere...
 
Hi Jeff!  Resurrected?  We never went away, 96 pages and still going strong Wink.
 
I'd mentioned the Transatlantic gig I saw a week or two back higher up this page, and that was one seriously fantastic gig.  I just hope that's not the last of them.  I saw your review Jeff and it was a good one too Clap.
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Originally posted by Biff Tannen Biff Tannen wrote:

I still consider "One More Time" by far their most boring "longer" song ever.  I tried it again the other day, and it still sounded just boring.  I can count on one hand the number of TFK songs I simply do not care for, and "One More Time" is one of 'em.  The others (counting "real" songs, not short interludes or stuff like that) are "Vox Humana," "Sword of God" and "Starlight Man." 

The problem with TSONE for me is that, while the other five songs are all good, none of them blow me away or anything like that.  I recently did a top 50 TFK songs list for fun, and that was the only TFK CD that didn't have a single song on it.  The other 9 studio albums all had at least 2 songs each. 

infandous, your UTF vs. TSONE comparison is very interesting, and has a lot of merit to it.  I love many of those short songs and interludes that frequently dot their albums, especially the double ones.   Plus, I don't feel the vocal melodies that Froberg sings on TSONE are strong at all, and that works against the greater good for me, as I feel that his voice has the tendency to sound too wimpy at times, especially when singing vocal melodies that are either not particularly strong.

 
Biff I share your views on TSONE, for me it's definitely one of their lesser albums.  That said, One More Time is easily my favourite song on the album and would make my TFK Top 20 without question.  The only other song on the album that would be close is Trading My Soul (yes, I know LOL).  There's great bits here and there but it's definitely near the bottom of my rankings.  I'd stress this is only in comparison to other TFK albums, it compares favourably with other bands would easily get 4 stars from me.
 
For the record I much prefer UTF.  Now that's not a perfect album for me, and there's quite a few weaker tracks on cd2, but disc 1 is outstanding and the longer tracks are all simply superb. 
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^ It's ok Roj, you don't have to be ashamed, "Trading my Soul" is a good song, you're allowed to like it. 

Actually, as far as songs on The Sum of No Evil go, I agree on those being my favorite two.  I don't overly think that "One More Time" is a great Flower King epic, but Tori (the daughter, almost three now) danced to it once when she was about a year and a half so I can't help but enjoy listening to the song with fond memories.
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I'm probably by myself here, but TSONE is probably by favorite TFK album. It's their most consistent IMO, and songs like One More Time, Love Is The Only Answer, and Life In Motion are among my favorite outputs from the band. All in all, it's one of my most confident 5-star albums around. Thumbs Up

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Well, let's hope we really WILL get a new Flower Kings album next summer...........fingers crossed Big smile
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I would  love to get some new Flower Kings going, just a fantastic band all around (I say this as "End on a High Note" plays in the background).  Consider me in the group that are eagerly awaiting.
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Well, if it happens, there will certainly be one very happy bunny in West Wales, that's for sureTongue

As I've gone through all of them again for my series of reviews, and, probably, listening far more intently than before, I am starting to appreciate finally just what a great band they are. Before they were good - now, I put them up amongst my favourite bands. Hope that makes sense - I've only had one can of beer, honest!LOL
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Heh, yeah Laz, I can relate.  Well, to the effects of beer anyway LOL
To be completely honest, even before I heard a note of the Flower Kings, I had a feeling they would be one of my favorites just from descriptions in reviews, their albums covers, track titles and lengths.  I know that probably sounds crazy, but I guess I just know what I like.  After hearing just one track, Retropolis, I knew I was right.  By the time I'd listened to that album (again, Retropolis) 2 or 3 times, I had a new favorite band.  Each album I picked up from then on only confirmed that.  Admittedly, albums like Rainmaker and A&E made me feel that it was time for a new favorite band (at least for a little while) and there were other times where I just felt like I'd heard them enough and needed to move on (this has happened with every other favorite band I've had for any length of time).  But then I would pull one of their albums out, or they'd release Paradox Hotel or The Sum Of No Evil, and I'd remember why they were my favorite band and still are.

But yeah, some new material will help keep that feeling going for me.  I like what Roine said in the interview about them doing something different.  I guess though, they usually do with each new album (though the first 5 are all pretty similar, in a fantastic way for me).  Besides, it's getting harder to keep this thread going without any new activity for so long.........it's been THREE years!!!  How have we survived? Big smile  Oh, yeah, the neverending side projects of all the members, that's how Clap




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Release-authorised:Great interview with Roine Stolt

Here's a really good interview with Roine Stolt. It includes some comments on the hiatus within The Flower Kings

Enjoy: http://www.nealmorsefans.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=206&Itemid=38&lang=en

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Thanks Nov, you do ...um... realize that infandous posted that just four posts ago?
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