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Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

I saw TFK and that bored me to death. Transatlantic is close to TFK and given that I had an alternative with the iconic Nomeansno (iconic not only in the punk circles, they are regarded as punk jazz, so progsters should be interested), I dind't hesitate a second.

Nomeansno were great yesterday. And they have their own style. It's both energetic and technical. They played stoner, psychedelic rock, syncopated punk, raw punk, disco and rockabilly. The show was amazing, they are like the Zappas of punk. It reminded me a lot the gig Melvins did at the same place a couple of months ago.

If you have the chance to see Nomeansno on stage, you shouldn't hesitate.

Hmm I saw TFK and they bored me to tears too.  TA most certainly did not.  So much more energy and power in the music and performance.  I don't know the band you saw but based on your description would not have interested me at all.  I  absolutely detest punk. Dead  But if you enjoyed it then it is all good. Clap

However if it is so good then why don't you write your review in it's own thread and not try to make a comparison inside a review thread of another band? 


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I simply explained to Jeff why Nomeansno wasn't a "bad choice"...
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Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

I saw TFK and that bored me to death. Transatlantic is close to TFK and given that I had an alternative with the iconic Nomeansno (iconic not only in the punk circles, they are regarded as punk jazz, so progsters should be interested), I dind't hesitate a second.

Nomeansno were great yesterday. And they have their own style. It's both energetic and technical. They played stoner, psychedelic rock, syncopated punk, raw punk, disco and rockabilly. The show was amazing, they are like the Zappas of punk. It reminded me a lot the gig Melvins did at the same place a couple of months ago.

If you have the chance to see Nomeansno on stage, you shouldn't hesitate.

Hmm I saw TFK and they bored me to tears too.  TA most certainly did not.  So much more energy and power in the music and performance.  I don't know the band you saw but based on your description would not have interested me at all.  I  absolutely detest punk. Dead  But if you enjoyed it then it is all good. Clap

However if it is so good then why don't you write your review in it's own thread and not try to make a comparison inside a review thread of another band? 
 
Agreed! I wouldn't have enjoyed Nomeansno given that description. Sounds like a mess to me! Makes me wonder why he even bothered replying to the thread if he dosn't like TA!!!!Confused
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wow, I thought progsters are open to other musical genres than prog...
 
I never said that I don't like TA (i have their first two albums and the live in america since around three years, if I didn't like their music I would have sold them, don't you think ?). But sometimes you want to see and listen to something different than your usual prog (the week before Nomeansno, I went to see Bahaa Ronda and Chabaa Al Andalous, they played fantastic arabo-andalousian music).
 
And why do you call me "he" my first name is my nickname ? That's a lack of respect for the poster.
 
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I saw Transatlantic in London on Friday night and it was truly amazing. They even surpassed my extremely high expectations Wink

Roine, in particular,  was a true star and I'm a bit disappointed with the "boring" comments being levelled at TFK concerts seeing as they are my favourite band from the past 15 years or so. I can only assume that you didn't know much of the material?

Anyway, did you here about the gig in Tilburg the night before? The crowd would not go even after the house lights came up - just like when The Flower Kings played there on the Paradox Hotel tour.

So, the band came back on-stage after playing for over three house and played "Return Of The Giant Hogweed" Big smile

After that, Mike Pornoy says "GO HOME!!" LOL

There are videos of this on YouTube if you have a search Wink

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Originally posted by Nov Nov wrote:


I saw Transatlantic in London on Friday night and it was truly amazing. They even surpassed my extremely high expectations Wink

Roine, in particular,  was a true star and I'm a bit disappointed with the "boring" comments being levelled at TFK concerts seeing as they are my favourite band from the past 15 years or so. I can only assume that you didn't know much of the material?

Anyway, did you here about the gig in Tilburg the night before? The crowd would not go even after the house lights came up - just like when The Flower Kings played there on the Paradox Hotel tour.

So, the band came back on-stage after playing for over three house and played "Return Of The Giant Hogweed" Big smile

After that, Mike Pornoy says "GO HOME!!" LOL

There are videos of this on YouTube if you have a search Wink

Cheers

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My comments on the TFK being boring was they sounded too samey to me through the set.  (It was in 2005 at Calprog) There were not a lot of dynamic changes I would hope from their music. I did not find the same energy as I did with TA. I will say the show had run on long that day and TFK did not get done until 1230 AM so maybe I was tired as well.  I agree Roine is a great guitar player and have enjoyed him with both TA and The Power of Two shows last year. I can also attest that Roine had a lot more fun with the TA and Po2 shows than he did with that TFK show.  He was far more approachable and animated than the TFK show. I am not trying to put anyone's favorite band down they are all accomplished musicians.  and you lucky b*****d getting a second encore song.  Wink 

I saw the videos of that but didn't sound good.  My thought is they recorded this as like a bonus song that no one else heard on the inevitable live DVD/CD.  I will just have to settle for sitting in the front row of the first show of the tour. Wink

One more thing about TFK  I have never seen Dream Theater and have no desire too but have loved both shows I have seen Mike Portnoy with TA and LTE so it isn't just Roine.  (I would however like to see Neal with Spock's Beard.) My thought is these guys are all accomplished musicians.  Seeing Nick DiVirgilo play with the Power of Two sets with very little rehearsal time with the group these guys are all pros.  I just happen to relate to some of the music differently than others. 


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Here's some great pictures from a show of Transatlantic in Milan :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/opethpainter/sets/72157623971678387/show/with/4621983795/


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Never have I seen such passion , and the whole uplifting experience that is TRANSATLANTIC.
Manchester was worth the trip...
Roine was a star ..The Spirtual leader Neal,.Had us all at his church..Portnoy was the crown prince of madness,
Wonderful virtuoso Pete giving it every once of his energy..
Daniel Just amazing...
Faultless playing Amazing expereince I will never forget that night..Transatlantic are the only band of the last 20 years I have truly enjoyed in a concert performance..
Brilliant.
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Originally posted by zepgen8 zepgen8 wrote:

Never have I seen such passion , and the whole uplifting experience that is TRANSATLANTIC.
Manchester was worth the trip...
Roine was a star ..The Spirtual leader Neal,.Had us all at his church..Portnoy was the crown prince of madness,
Wonderful virtuoso Pete giving it every once of his energy..
Daniel Just amazing...
Faultless playing Amazing expereince I will never forget that night..Transatlantic are the only band of the last 20 years I have truly enjoyed in a concert performance..
Brilliant.
 
I was there!!! There's not many 'major' prog bands I havn't seen over the years including the big 5, but apart from YES on the Union tour, Transatlantic 'Blew Them All Away'!!!Clap
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^ I was at the Manchester gig too and it was absolutely fantastic, truly one of the best gigs I've ever seen.
 
The musicianship was superb, the sound was perfect and the reception from a very healthy crowd was great too.  With this being the last night of the tour the band had a bit of fun too.  At one point we had Morse on drums, Trewavas on keys and Portnoy on bass, and Morse seems a damn good drummer too.  Even Gildenlow had a go on the drumstool!!
 
And the little excursion into an excerpt of Deep Purple's Highway Star was a great laugh too.  The band seemed bowled over and so were the crowd.  A truly great gig and I'm struggling to think of one that tops this (and I've been a seasoned gog-goer for 30 plus years).
 
I just hope they return sometime soon.  Until then, we'll have to wait for the DVD from the London gig.
 
Nov, glad you had a great time, will you be getting to the High Voltage festival in July?  I'm afraid I can't make that one.
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Ah , my friend I wish I could do the festival.As zappa plays zappa on the same bill..I cannot make it..Cry
Still that show on saturday was as you say something else..
Best prog band I have ever seen..How could Any band Top A 77 minute song that had everything in it..
 
As you say the DVD will have to do for a while..Fingers crossed they get vback together for another superb offering..
All the best to you.
And All the translikes out there.
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Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

^ I was at the Manchester gig too and it was absolutely fantastic, truly one of the best gigs I've ever seen.
 
The musicianship was superb, the sound was perfect and the reception from a very healthy crowd was great too.  With this being the last night of the tour the band had a bit of fun too.  At one point we had Morse on drums, Trewavas on keys and Portnoy on bass, and Morse seems a damn good drummer too.  Even Gildenlow had a go on the drumstool!!
 
And the little excursion into an excerpt of Deep Purple's Highway Star was a great laugh too.  The band seemed bowled over and so were the crowd.  A truly great gig and I'm struggling to think of one that tops this (and I've been a seasoned gog-goer for 30 plus years).
 
I just hope they return sometime soon.  Until then, we'll have to wait for the DVD from the London gig.
 
Nov, glad you had a great time, will you be getting to the High Voltage festival in July?  I'm afraid I can't make that one.


Such an amazing gig (good to see the Boba Fett section was squeezed in there as well Wink).  Nothin more proggy than a venue-rattling bass pedal solo either  LOL

Met the band afterwards.  Really cool to get their autographs.  Since Pain Of Salvation are one of my favourite bands, it was really cool to have Daniel to briefly chat with me (I think he mentioned something about me being the only one to bring a PoS album to get signed, instead of just a Transatlantic album)




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Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

My comments on the TFK being boring was they sounded too samey to me through the set.  
 
I will say the show had run on long that day and TFK did not get done until 1230 AM so maybe I was tired as well.
Ahh, well there we are then Wink
 
Any band whose music you didn't know very well would be hard pushed to entertain you when you were already tired after many hours of music.
 
I went to Calprog in 2009 (Izz, Echolyn, Sylvan, etc) and hardly knew a note played all day. I'd hesitate from calling a band boring just because I didn't know their music though Wink
 
 
Anyway, what I'm trying to say here is - THE FLOWER KINGS AREN'T BORING!! LOL
 
They've released many studio albums with more variety on them than almost any other band I can think of so please don't let that Calprog show put you off Wink
 
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Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

 
Nov, glad you had a great time, will you be getting to the High Voltage festival in July?  I'm afraid I can't make that one.
 
I can't make that gig either as we're away that weekend.
 
Having said that, if I'm totally honest, I doubt if I would have gone anyway. They'll be too much other stuff to endure that day (bands and people Wink) to wait for a short Transatlantic set. I feel a bit guilty as it'd be good to show support for the band.
 
I hope it's a great success for them of course - I wonder what they'll play? The whole of The Whirlwind could be a bit of a risk don't you think?
 
Pete gets to headline both days of course Wink
 
 


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^ I'd love to be there but unfortunately, like you, I can't make it.  We'll just be back from holiday and the cost is just too much for us, what with the high cost of tickets then travel, overnight accomodation, food, drink etc..... 
 
I don't know how long their set is, but if they get 2 hours (as headliners) I'd perhaps go with The Whirlwind Nov.  That was just sooooo good live.  They could then manage a couple of their shorter (LOL) epics too. Whatever they choose I'm sure it will be great.
 
Lets just hope there's a new album to follow fairly soon, or one from TFK would do nicely Wink.
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Originally posted by Nov Nov wrote:

Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

My comments on the TFK being boring was they sounded too samey to me through the set.  
 
I will say the show had run on long that day and TFK did not get done until 1230 AM so maybe I was tired as well.
Ahh, well there we are then Wink
 
Any band whose music you didn't know very well would be hard pushed to entertain you when you were already tired after many hours of music.
 
I went to Calprog in 2009 (Izz, Echolyn, Sylvan, etc) and hardly knew a note played all day. I'd hesitate from calling a band boring just because I didn't know their music though Wink
 
 
Anyway, what I'm trying to say here is - THE FLOWER KINGS AREN'T BORING!! LOL
 
They've released many studio albums with more variety on them than almost any other band I can think of so please don't let that Calprog show put you off Wink
 
Cheers
 
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I didn't say I wasn't familiar with their music. Where did you get that from what I said? 
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I thought the songs they choose were way too much alike everyone being at least 15 minutes or more except for their cover of Soon. There were no dynamics in the set no highs and lows no variation. They all followed the same formula.  After about an hour an a half I was ready for them to tie it up.  I don't know why but it just doesn't grab me. 

Now the Karmakanic/ Agents of Mercy stuff was far better in part I think do to Lalle Lawson on Keyboards and Nick DiVirgillo on drums and the compositions vary.   I had only heard AoM once and Boss in the Factory twice before the show so I was not that familiar with the material but I loved that stuff.   
I didn't care for Sylvan that day either for almost the exact same reasons as listed above.  IZZ and Echolyn were on fire though and Presto Ballet was pretty good even though they didn't have their keyboard. player.
I have been to every Calprog since 2005 so i don't need to be instructed on listening without being familiar with the music.  I try and sample every group to get an idea of their sound before the festival.   Even if I don't know every song by heart I still feel I have an indication of what they are presenting.  I was more intimate with The Flower Kings than most of the bands I have seen. 

Here is the list of band s I liked and other that were meh and the ones I don't want to see again. (Remember it is all based on taste. I am not getting personal.  Frankly even some of the bands i don't care to see the members of were very cool.)

Like (In no particular order btw):
IZZ
Echolyn
Touchstone
Kamakanic/Agents of Mercy
Presto Ballet
Rudess/Morganstein
Frogge Cafe
Spiraling
Helmet of Gnats
Cryptic Vision
Nima and Merge (Preshow)

The Meh bands were (Again in no particular order ):

Rocket Scientists (Not really their fault they were a replacement band and only had three weeks to get ready. To be fair I would see them again)
Puppet Show
Bubblemath
The Flower Kings (Would consider seeing again)

Bands I would not care to see again:

It Bites
Kino
Tiles
Sylvan


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Originally posted by rdtprog rdtprog wrote:

Here's some great pictures from a show of Transatlantic in Milan :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/opethpainter/sets/72157623971678387/show/with/4621983795/

thanks for sharing... i've put the link to my pictures in the previous page, but no one seemed to care... Tongue
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Great pictures.

Saw the guys in Tilburg read the review at

http://www.dprp.net/concrev/2010_transatlantic_1.php

it was simply awesome.
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