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    Posted: May 21 2010 at 14:32
I've just finished adding the German progressive / alternative band Green Wave from Germany. The leader is Rainer Wahlamnn who was the lead vocalist for Dies Irae in the early seventies who released a singular album entitled " First" on the Pilz label in 1971. This is a completely different band though. I'll also be interviewing him for the site this weekend. The mp3s have yet to be added but anyone who wants to check it out it's here : www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=5548
Some of their music can be streamed on their official website which is linked with the entry.
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Points: 18148 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 21 2010 at 16:36
Hi,
 
If it doesn't have improvisational material it is NOT Krautrock! Almost ALL of Krautrock was defined because of its experimental and improvisational content.
 
I'll check into this later on today. But not sure that we should be adding modern things that are calling themselves "krautrock" simply because ... it sounds like and has no improvisational content whatsoever in it, except a guitar solo for 30 seconds on one song or two! If the cut is 30 minutes long and taken from a massive free form jam that was 10 hours long (like Can) ... then it passes! (hehehe!)


Edited by moshkito - May 21 2010 at 17:07
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Points: 6898 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 23 2010 at 15:27
Well, if you can get the admins to add another caregory of Alternative Krautrock then perhaps we can change it.
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Points: 14258 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2010 at 09:26
Not much chance i should'nt think
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Points: 18016 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2010 at 12:32
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
 
If it doesn't have improvisational material it is NOT Krautrock!


That's not necessarily true
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Points: 5502 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2010 at 18:30
Originally posted by Captain Clutch Captain Clutch wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
 
If it doesn't have improvisational material it is NOT Krautrock!


That's not necessarily true
 
Any German band that could actually compose music is by definition not KrautrockTongue
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Points: 18148 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2010 at 20:27
Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

Originally posted by Captain Clutch Captain Clutch wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
 
If it doesn't have improvisational material it is NOT Krautrock!


That's not necessarily true
 
Any German band that could actually compose music is by definition not KrautrockTongue
 
That's actually true to a large degree. And it's hard to explain to people that some of these folks came out of the Berlin Conservatory of Music (CAN is the best example - and professor Peter Michael Hamel ... read "From the music to the self") and are very well trained in music and knew what they were doing ... so making sure that they did the complete opposite and totally blow out the concepts and ideas, is justified ... and is the start of krautrock. Today, only Klaus Schulze and Manuel Goittsching (AshRa Tempel) are really doing things wide open even though sometimes I think they are relegating themselves too much to beats and rhythms -- but more often than not as a way for them to "get out", which is very much an eastern concept that is used in "ragas" ... so maybe it is not that progressive an idea after all!
 
The problem is that anarchy in music is something that will have a hard time being discussed and described by "musicos" that think that "prog" has to have parameters and defining moments, and of course, the basic idea in krautrock was to get rid of such ideas in the first place ... so considering it "prog" in itself is an oxymoron!
 
I say it all the time, and is my own reason why I would prefer that all this music we like NOT be considered "prog" ... other than .. we met people that wanted to do far more with music than is conventional or manifested in pop/rock music ... and that ability to want to do more does not necessarily need a name. I don't mind calling it "progressive" if it is capable of giving the musicians credit for their work ... but in the end, you gotta love a new band ... "we're a prog band" ... and the only thing they are telling you is that they don't have enough of a talent for music to create their own to the point where they have to copy someone else's style so they can think of themselves as better musicians? Guess what ... that wasn't even a consideration for that music at the time!
 
You have to "let go" of ideas, in order to define something new, and those people did ... but we're afraid to accept the anarchistic concepts that it took to get them done. I always say that Amon Duul 2 is the perfect example and their breaking out of the commune thing and their first album called Phallus Dei ... saying it all ... all this, all these ideas, and all they are for is so we can have more sex? You realize what an immese up yours and finger that is to that social element? And how that romantic ideal of what a "commune" was was dis-integrating into? Yeah ... believe it baby!


Edited by moshkito - May 24 2010 at 20:35
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Points: 6898 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2010 at 09:29
Well we had al ong weekend in Montréal and the temperatures were  in the 30s so I was away from the computer and indoors.

As for anarchy the band that Green Wave grew out of, Dies Irae, was an anachist band. Actually calling it an anarchist band would be somewhat a bit of an understatement. As far as I know  ( and the leader Rainer Wahlmann knows ) it was the only Krautrock to get banned because of riské lyrics which went against the religios and political establishment on most German radio stations, the exceptions being a station in Baden-Baden and another in their hometown of Saarbrucken. They also lost their record contract because of this.Check out the interview  with Wahlmann that should be up within the week.

As for the addition of Green Wave under Krautrock they had to be put somewhere and after consulting with th Krautrock team they deemed them suitable. They certainly fit into progressive music and have been around for quite some time. The first album The Inner Garden has a more harder edge to it with only one track  appearing on their website. I'm trying to get some mp3s added to PA that will give a broader picture of what they sound like. Categorizing them is something else that will come up in the interview.

As for improvisation, I never thought this as criteria for Krautrock. I have never really was into this genre classification and before joining this site in 2004 I used to refer to Krautrock as wacked out German sh*t!
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