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Marty McFly 
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VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR Godbluff Live 1975 | review BILLY COBHAM Palindrome | review FREQUENCY DRIFT Personal Effects (Part Two) | review SADIST Season In Silence | review ARNIOE Forever Free | review JEFF BECK Emotion & Commotion | review THE ALBUM LEAF A Chorus of Storytellers | review KLAATU 3:47 E.S.T. | review ROYAL HUNT X | review JOHN ZORN In Search Of The Miraculous | review PAT METHENY Orchestrion | review PANIC ROOM Satellite | review RED SPAROWES The Fear Is Excruciating, But Therein Lies The Answer | review ELEPHANT9 Walk The Nile | review NICK MAGNUS Children Of Another God | review THE WATCH Planet Earth? | review RICK WAKEMAN Always With You | review ODYSSICE Silence | review ASPERA Ripples | review KAYO DOT Coyote | review DUNAJ Dudlay | review THE DILLINGER ESCAPE PLAN Option Paralysis | review MISANTHROFEEL Easterica | review KARNATAKA The Gathering Light | review A SILVER MT. ZION Kollaps Tradixionales | review Scott, it looks it does not. My skills with computers are limited by what I actually use (I know a lot about Windows XP, Opera, Total Commander etc), but I think it's because I use Opera and this feature simply isn't working here. Some things aren't, I'll get used to it. OK Iván, it's legit then. However I don't understand why he has done such a thing. He must have known what this will say about his character and intentions. Maybe I would like this album, maybe I would give it 4 stars, but what he has done quite puts me off from simply human behaviour point of view. It reminds me leader of left wing (not far left communist, but just left) "socialists democrats" - Their leader stated that press is acting "against" him and his political party and so he imposed informational embargo from his side. No statements, no speeches. Two weeks before votes. Sometimes, people acts blindly. |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
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Uninad
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You know what Ivan, you ARE a snob - a real prog snob! And snobbery comes out of hectorism.
Why canīt you admit it??
Your words are often missguiding, you are missquoting, basically doing everything to put artists down because of the fact that "you know better". I didnīt review our album, I simply tossed in a few comments because I felt like it and in order to submit, I HAD to rate it . Albeit a clone thing - we had fun and everything was done with "a glint in the eye". You donīt seem to realize this. One of your problems are that you reviewed this album on the grounds of what you wanted it to be (original), not for what it actually is. So just because we do a homage to Genesis in this particular way does that make the music any less good?
Of course we donīt think we rival the classic Genesis line up or even past that era - no one can do that.
Itīs only a pastiché made out of love and respect to the band, thatīs all.
"So the members of UNIFAUN have probably convinced themselves they are as good as Genesis, and their answer shows this, they believe that if they use the same instruments as in Foxtrot, the music is like the music in Foxtrot".
That is such nonsence itīs unbelievable, and just shows a great deal of contempt.
Snobbery, thatīs all there is. Did we EVER say this? Where??
"Or is it the case that Mr. Sylvan believes that the instrument make the music"
This statement actually tells more about you than it does me. Ignorant.
"The album is a bad copy of Genesis and only to be kind with a new artist I gave three stars to Unifaun when as a fact a cheap copy deserves 1 star."
Again, contempt and snobbery. You are just being plain mean. A bad copy really?
Then what is a good copy, could you show us that mr "know-it-all"?
"What...Does Mr Sylvan wants me to rate this cheap copy with 5 stars?"
No, I threw in a four star, remember?
 Seriously, I cannot nor will I rate my own album -but I wish for people like you to go back to Kindergarten and play with your toys because what you
have said and done here is enough to make you look really immature adn immensly stupid.
And please, just leave me out of your archive in the future and no reviews. I donīt need you.
Nad
Ps. I left Unifaun last year and have moved on to work with Roine Stolt, who found me through the Unifaun myspace page....and now it seems Bonamici is trying to keep Unifaun alive by showing up at the Steve Hackett event in France this month. Good or bad? Obviously he was invited.
Anyway, Steve does certainly not have a problem with Unifaun.
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Marty McFly
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 17:58 |
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Nad Sylvan please, behave reasonably. This is not going to help you in any way. I have your album, I haven't reviewed this album yet, but there is a chance that I can like it. And think about others who may feel the same way. I'm just a young man trying not to insult others, but rather gain experience by talking to them, sharing my thoughts. This is why these forums were created. Also think about his rating. 3 stars is perfect average, OK ? Good but not essential isn't bad. But by offending and by behaving offended, you're not going to get any kind of support. If you want to discuss, then discuss, but please, in sake of keeping these forums, don't make this into flame war. Edited by Marty McFly - May 13 2010 at 18:01 |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Why? Because I believe UNIFAUN is a clone band?
As a fact I rated the band in the same level as Supper's Ready, because I hoped you could release something remotely original and to support a new band.
About the hectorism, the only bully is the one that qualifies a person as stupid because he doesn't do what you want
Lets put things in it's place:
Again, I don't know what you want or what you are reading, if I did something, it was defending your right to rate your album as high as you want:in the Collaboratot's section.
I don't wanted the album to be original, as a fact I don't expect anything in particular from the albums before I listen them, but I say what I think about the album, and I believe UNIFAUN is a clone of Genesis without any originality, which I rated with 3 stars out of 5 exclusively for the skills I heard from the performers.
The key word is PROBABLY, I never said you stated this, i'ts only a conclusion based in the fact that you complain about a three stars review when the same reviewer has rated Seconds Out with three stars...I can only think you believe you are at least in the same level if not better.
If I'm not wrong in your review you said that a determined song couldn't sound like taken from ABACAB because you used certain instruments not availlable when ABACAB was released...Isn't my conclusion a logical one?
I'm not the one who said a song couldn't sound as taken from ABACAB because you used certain instruments.
That's my opinion, clone bands have no merit to me, I only gave 3 stars (Above the average) because of the performance, not because the music,
Now, a good copy..Lets say The Musical Box, they don't pretend to be more than they are, a tribute band that plays Genesis music and not a band who claim they were decided to do "the songs Genesis never did", but this guys present a great and careful show...That's a good copy.
There are multiple bands INSPIRED in Genesis, like Rael from Argentina for example, but all of them added something of them to create something different, or without going too far in time "5Bridges" are clearly inspired by Genesis, but they created much more than only a copy despite the similarities between Peter Gabriel and their lead singer's voice, they released an album which IMO is one of the best of last year....Of course none of them is a copy.
And I don't know it all, only have an opinion.
The last sentence shows who should return to Kindergarten "Or you rate me as I want or never rate me again and I will insult you" (very mature of your part).
"The insults start when there are no arguments", but I won't fall in that game
But back to the issue you believe Unifaun deserves 4 stars...I don't, as a fact I clearly said that IMHO deserves 2.5 stars but this is impossible in our system, so I gave 3 stars.
But don't worry I won't buy another UNIFAUN album, so hardly will review something from this band.
BTW: It's not my Archives Unifaun is here (with a BIO written by you, something we don't usually allow) because the band is Symphonic, not because it's original.
Accepted to add UNIFAUN because they were suggested and it's Symphonic Prog, but I don' care for clone bands,
Good luck for both, but the fact that I'm a fan of Steve Hackett and he invited Unifaun, doesn't change my opinion about Unifaun's first album, is well performed but totally lack of imagination and originality..
Please read the other reviews
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Can't you find the constant?
Are all of them Prog snobs also?
Now, look at this:
Don't you see that 64% of the ratings are located in 3 stars? And that if it wasn't for your rating only 20% would had voted for 4 stars, and that the 2 stars would be around 10%?
Don't you see that your average is 2.97, slightly bellow the rating I gave you?
Please don't blame me, it's the general opinion.
Iván
EDIT: I only have to add,. that despite you've insulted me twice, I haven't replied in the same way, just gave my opinion that I won't change Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 09 2012 at 21:20 |
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 23:35 |
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I have to review this album - you have me intrigued now, Uninad!
Nice response to a very strong attack, Ivan.
You have to review as you feel you should or you may as well NOT review at all. You have to be honest and reflective, fair but firm and have standards that you will not budge from. I will listen to this UNIFAUN and judge for myself. I wont be swayed by others opinions as usual but if I think it's nothing but a Genesis clone I will say so. When you put albums on here you are pretty much at the mercy of reviewers. That's how it goes. It is still the best for of exposure and not everything will appeal to people generally. If you do not like criticism, get out of the business!
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Posted: May 13 2010 at 23:56 |
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^ but how you express those thoughts makes a big difference-- being honest without being political, showing integrity without malevolance
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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David, I haven't been malevolent at all, nothing Mr Sylvan has quoted comes from my review, everything quoted in this thread is from a reply to his violent review in which he attacked me against PA guidelines, reason why this review was deleted and as you know not by me, because I don't have the power:
Yes in my review I am direct, but I also say things like:
Of course I mention the songs that sound like copies, but my review was 100% honest and recognized the merits of some tracks.
Even more, my conclusions are:
You can find the link to my review and tell me if it's specially aggressive or offensive at any point.
I written strongest things about other artists, and none has replied insulting and calling names.
Now my replies in the thread are stronger, but it's a logical response to an aggression.
Just to end...Are 3 stars a bad rating?
Iván
EDIT: I have written 400 reviews, and never received a report, of course some people didn't liked my Opeth or Big Generator review, but they used the comment feature, Mr Sylvan used the reviews to attack me, and if you notice, some stronger things are said about his album on other reviews..
On the other hand some of my reviews have been posted by the official site of artists, and not 5 starts reviews, mostly 3 or 4 stars, but we are talking about people who accept an honest perspective. Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - May 14 2010 at 00:40 |
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I am listening to it now.....
Hmmmmmmmmm... Will I review it 3 stars? So far its a 3 star album.
this song is excellent though...
   *FREE DOWNLOAD!* A 'big' song. Itīs got something for everyone; drama, prog, rock, pop, 4/8:s, 7/8:s..itīs all there..Illustration by Lotta Nylander. |
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Actually Ivan I think there are a lot of positives here - I highlighted positives in green and negatives in yellow on a word doco. there were lots of yellow and quite a few green parts. The main issue is you felt they were clones and need to banch into some original territory., Fair enough they even admit on their website to being Genesis inspired. Is clones a harsh word? i would never use it. I would rather say they are inspired by genesis and as soon as you hear their msic you are immediately reminded of the greatness of Genesis, and that may not be a bad thing But I dont think your review is that scathing really. You could have awarded a worse rating, 3 is a good review for a debut 2 piece band.
Nad met Steve Hackett!!!! Lucky guy.
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I apologize Ivan, didn't mean to take sides (and my use of "malevolance" was unfortunate
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VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR Godbluff Live 1975 | review
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Of course there are negative parts, because I believe there are bellow the average tracks, but my main criticism is centered in the lack of originality, never said they suck, or they are incompetent musicians, by the contrary, I always highlight their skills except in the vocals, because they are incredibly close to Phil Collins and I can't stand his voice.
A musician who is now my friend sent me his debut album before being released, and one of the things I said is that he should find a new vocalist instead because the voice is not the most adecquate for a Symphonic album...And he is the singer (well also plays guitar and keyboards).
Did he insulted me?
Did he called me Snob?
No, he published my review in his site the same day (it was the first review because it was written on the release day), because he said it sounded absolutely honest.
Now, the word clone...Please, even a super band as Triumvirat is called Clone and has much more originality than Unifaun, and you don't see Jurgen Froitz protesting.
So if it's hard..Yes, but honest and I believe fair.
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Stick to your guns then. I see no harm in that review
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Marty McFly
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Oh, I've tried to do this in Firefox and it works here. Error on my side then.
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Scott, your Wall review was really enjoyable. Loved the enthusiasm you obviously have for it, which I share. I love the little in between songs so many people consider "filler" tracks, I appreciate them more than the radio tracks actually.
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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As usual you boost my spirits.
I like your review on Wall too.
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Good gracious, I got told off.
Thanks for reporting that Rune. It's never a good idea to write a "retaliatory" review. I read your review as I wrote mine (and I looked at the 7 other five star reviews, or whatever it was), and I keep asking myself as I listened, "What in the world are these guys hearing that I'm not?" But it still sounds awful to me. No, I have not listened to it 30+ times as our reviewer would implicitly require of us. And the funny thing is, I actually like several avant-prog albums, but I do not care for this one, no. |
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Damn, I missed all the action! What album was it?
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The Residents - Not Available I caught it just in time I think. Very shocking language for a review, completely uncalled for. |
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Uninad wrote: