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No Quiet One...This is my last resource when I have problems with one rating.
 
There are times when I'm in doubt between 3 or 4 stars, so if I can't decide I use this table and ask, Is it as good as Pyramids or Trespass?
 
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^ah, I see. Hadn't thought of that before, I'll see if it works with me for future reviews.
 
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I believe the problem with this guys is that they formed the band in the Genesis Forum when I was a member.
 
When they released their first songs, all the fanboys there, who want to listen anything that sounds like Genesis, praised them, even Collins Rutherford and Banks have signed as friends in their MySpace because they get free propaganda.
 
So the members of UNIFAUN have probably convinced themselves they are as good as Genesis, and their answer shows this, they believe that if they use the same instruments as in Foxtrot, the music is like the music in Foxtrot (They have in their memory what instrument Genesis used in what album).
 
But the problem is that you might use a Mellotron Mark II and Hammond C3 but sound nothing like Apocalypse in 9/8.
 
They will never get it.
 
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^lol, if that's true they have serious issues, trying not to offend anyone.
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Please ths review calls Prog Snob and mentions my name
 
 
I believe this breaks all the rules n this site so must be deleted even if it's written by the members of Unifaun.
 
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HAHAHA
thats hilarious

{notes: edited to add quote for context, and moved to appropriate topic}


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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Sorry to point this out, but unless the rules have changed, this thread is for reporting abuse, discussion should be done here:
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Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

To be clearer, folks.
 
 
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Yes.

I've been a good boy and I've abided by that many times in the past.  However, the reviews abuse reporting thread is in a completely different place than the reviews discussion thread, and when you do follow the rules, your post(s) typically get ignored, because you didn't post in the "hot zone" along with everyone else.


Of course that was directed as a reminder to everyone who uses the report abuse thread as a discussion thread.  I know it's a hassle quoting a post from that thread and discussing it here, though not as much of a hassle as it was for me to move a bunch of posts to this thread one at a time, but if people get into the habit of it, then it's not that hard.  If they get used to it and abide by the expectations, then they won't post in response there to the post that reports abuse and this becomes the "hot zone".  It's difficult for the admins to keep an eye on abusive reports when there's a bunch of non-reporting chat/discussion posts that obscure them. 
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Sorry to point this out, but unless the rules have changed, this thread is for reporting abuse, discussion should be done here:
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By Easy Livin, September 08 2006 at 15:01


Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

To be clearer, folks.
 
 
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Yes.

I've been a good boy and I've abided by that many times in the past.  However, the reviews abuse reporting thread is in a completely different place than the reviews discussion thread, and when you do follow the rules, your post(s) typically get ignored, because you didn't post in the "hot zone" along with everyone else.


Of course that was directed as a reminder to everyone who uses the report abuse thread as a discussion thread.  I know it's a hassle quoting a post from that thread and discussing it here, though not as much of a hassle as it was for me to move a bunch of posts to this thread one at a time, but if people get into the habit of it, then it's not that hard.  If they get used to it and abide by the expectations, then they won't post in response there to the post that reports abuse and this becomes the "hot zone".  It's difficult for the admins to keep an eye on abusive reports when there's a bunch of non-reporting chat/discussion posts that obscure them. 


Yes, and I understand this.  Still, I've been ignored many times when I've taken the extra step to:

1. Quote someone in the abuse thread

2. Find and open the discussion thread.

3. Address the original person in the discussion thread.

4. Expect the other person to find and respond to the topic.

5. Then finally, not be addressed in the discussion thread.

I take this effort, and I go unnoticed?  Not worth it, sorry.  Done it for quite a while.

On a side note, why is the reviews discussion thread in Help Us Improve the Site?  Who will look for it there?  I've been a member of this for a long time, and unless someone links the discussion forum, I still have to hunt it down.

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And one more thing:

I am not an admin, and I am a huge fan of our team here.

But I would assume that it is not that hard to skim through comments versus actual reports.  In fact, if I were an admin trying to gather information, I would want all the arguments in one place so I could seem them clearly and gather as much info as I could.

Do the admin check the discussion thread simultaneously as they do the reporting thread?  Many times people have good counterarguments for a review that has been reported.
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^ I have email alerts set for both threads, ...I also sleep with one eye open.
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Originally posted by HTCF HTCF wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Please ths review calls Prog Snob and mentions my name
 
 
I believe this breaks all the rules n this site so must be deleted even if it's written by the members of Unifaun.
 
Iván


HAHAHA
thats hilarious

{notes: edited to add quote for context, and moved to appropriate topic}
Not hilarious, several times reviews have been deleted necause names are mention, specially because you can't reply or post your position, because the guidelines are clear:
 
Quote PROGARCHIVES REVIEWS GUIDELINES:

4 - Write in an intelligent and considerate manner. Rude or insulting language (including blatant vulgarity) will not be tolerated! Show respect for other reviewers, readers, the artists, and the CD and song titles. Do not belittle reviews posted by others, their opinions are as welcome and valid as yours. It is generally best to avoid commenting on other reviews altogether.

The following are examples of phrases which should NOT appear in reviews: "Reviewer Joe Smith is stupid for saying that...", "Anyone who doesn't like this album is an idiot", "The band which made this album is rubbish", etc.,

It's clear, and as a fact it's deleted already..

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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by HTCF HTCF wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Please ths review calls Prog Snob and mentions my name
 
 
I believe this breaks all the rules n this site so must be deleted even if it's written by the members of Unifaun.
 
Iván


HAHAHA
thats hilarious

{notes: edited to add quote for context, and moved to appropriate topic}
Not hilarious, several times reviews have been deleted necause names are mention, specially because you can't reply or post your position, because the guidelines are clear:
 


I meant the particular manner in which this musician in question was defending his own band

By the way, is it logical to leave this 4 star rating from a member of the band on what would otherwise be a 2-3 star rated album?
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Originally posted by HTCF HTCF wrote:



I meant the particular manner in which this musician in question was defending his own band

By the way, is it logical to leave this 4 star rating from a member of the band on what would otherwise be a 2-3 star rated album?
 
I think that yes, because despite being a member, he's allowed to place a rating or even to make a review telling the wonders of the band, as long as he respects the guidelines
 
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And was it really him, Nad Sylvan ? Wasn't it some kind of troll who acted in his name ? I mean it's not that hard to act as someone else on the internet. Not hard at all.
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Ah, missed that deleted review but to review your own album is akin to an extreme form of idolatry as of course you will give it 5 stars to beef up its reputation whether its bad, good or not. Hopefully sense will prevail in this situation and the album wont end up in the masterpiece category due to the circumstances. However more importantly why isn’t the reviewer defending their review here. Its all rather strange. Perhaps its not even the band reviewing this at all as has been suggested.

 

I like what Epignosis said earlier here. I too have problems finding the thread for review discussion as its in a weird area. Can it be always pushed to the front of that section at least so we don’t have to hunt it down. Who knows it’s here besides the ones in the know? Not many I assure you. 

 

I also agree with the way that Ivan_Melgar_ reviews the 3 and 4 star ratings. I had never considered A SPECIFIC yard stick such as 3 albums to measure the album in question against. But that’s a great idea as at times I have probs rating 3 star albums. Why don't they make the 4 stars? Masterpieces are masterpieces but when an album falls short by a star you have to justify this decision. I think far too many reviewers are awarding 5 stars without considering the 4 star rating. It’s lazy reviewing. Only a chosen elite should be masterpiece material. Likewise only a few should be 1 star. It has to smell bad really to gain that award. The question is, is it salvageable? eg: ELP - Love Beach: nothing good on it; - Works 2: some tracks are good, so 2 stars at least.  

 

In light of this my ratings could be measured thusly with these albums as a measuring stick:

 

Masterpieces (outstanding)

QUEENSRYCHE Operation: Mindcrime | review
RUSH A Farewell To Kings | review
KING CRIMSON In The Court Of The Crimson King | review
AREA Arbeit Macht Frei | review

Excellent (not quite masterpiece but incredible prog)

DREAM THEATER Black Clouds & Silver Linings | review
CARAVAN In The Land Of Grey And Pink | review
ATOMIC ROOSTER Death Walks Behind You | review
CAMEL Moonmadness | review

Good prog, listenable but flawed (some tracks let it down as filler material)

VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome | review
NEAL MORSE Neal Morse | review
YES Yes (Classic Artists) | review
VANGELIS Chariots Of Fire | review

Average, salvageable (One or two great tracks but many filler tracks and some very bad quality)

GODLEY & CREME Freeze Frame | review
ASIA Asia | review
THERION The Miskolc Experience | review
URIAH HEEP Sweet Freedom | review

Very ordinary, consistently sub standard prog (most tracks are forgettable, or absolutely terrible)

EMERSON LAKE & PALMER Works Vol. 2 | review
VANGELIS Mythodea | review
EMERSON LAKE & PALMER In the Hot Seat | review
RICK WAKEMAN Frost In Space | review
 
If anyone has better suggestions let me know as I'm always interested in providing reviews that are fair no matter how I feel about the subgenre itself.
       


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And was it really him, Nad Sylvan ?


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Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

And was it really him, Nad Sylvan ?


maybe it's just someone with one testicle


Or three. No, don't make the same mistake as I did when I (out of curiosity) googled for it. (and found Sarah Palin).


Guys, one question - I saw it used many times by Iván, Logan and now by ACR. How do you copy entire layout and design of certain segment of text ? Like pre-previous poster did when he copied his albums.



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Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

And was it really him, Nad Sylvan ?


maybe it's just someone with one testicle


Or three. No, don't make the same mistake as I did when I (out of curiosity) googled for it. (and found Sarah Palin).


Guys, one question - I saw it used many times by Iván, Logan and now by ACR. How do you copy entire layout and design of certain segment of text ? Like pre-previous poster did when he copied his albums.

Ah thats easy MartyM, you go to your profile page and copy all the reviews you want and just paste them on a post
experiment with it - it works!
 
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Ah, missed that deleted review but to review your own album is akin to an extreme form of idolatry as of course you will give it 5 stars to beef up its reputation whether its bad, good or not. Hopefully sense will prevail in this situation and the album wont end up in the masterpiece category due to the circumstances. However more importantly why isn’t the reviewer defending their review here. Its all rather strange. Perhaps its not even the band reviewing this at all as has been suggested.

 

I like what Epignosis said earlier here. I too have problems finding the thread for review discussion as its in a weird area. Can it be always pushed to the front of that section at least so we don’t have to hunt it down. Who knows it’s here besides the ones in the know? Not many I assure you. 

 

I also agree with the way that Ivan_Melgar_ reviews the 3 and 4 star ratings. I had never considered A SPECIFIC yard stick such as 3 albums to measure the album in question against. But that’s a great idea as at times I have probs rating 3 star albums. Why don't they make the 4 stars? Masterpieces are masterpieces but when an album falls short by a star you have to justify this decision. I think far too many reviewers are awarding 5 stars without considering the 4 star rating. It’s lazy reviewing. Only a chosen elite should be masterpiece material. Likewise only a few should be 1 star. It has to smell bad really to gain that award. The question is, is it salvageable? eg: ELP - Love Beach: nothing good on it; - Works 2: some tracks are good, so 2 stars at least.  

 

In light of this my ratings could be measured thusly with these albums as a measuring stick:

 

Masterpieces (outstanding)

QUEENSRYCHE Operation: Mindcrime | review
RUSH A Farewell To Kings | review
KING CRIMSON In The Court Of The Crimson King | review
AREA Arbeit Macht Frei | review

Excellent (not quite masterpiece but incredible prog)

DREAM THEATER Black Clouds & Silver Linings | review
CARAVAN In The Land Of Grey And Pink | review
ATOMIC ROOSTER Death Walks Behind You | review
CAMEL Moonmadness | review

Good prog, listenable but flawed (some tracks let it down as filler material)

VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome | review
NEAL MORSE Neal Morse | review
YES Yes (Classic Artists) | review
VANGELIS Chariots Of Fire | review

Average, salvageable (One or two great tracks but many filler tracks and some very bad quality)

GODLEY & CREME Freeze Frame | review
ASIA Asia | review
THERION The Miskolc Experience | review
URIAH HEEP Sweet Freedom | review

Very ordinary, consistently sub standard prog (most tracks are forgettable, or absolutely terrible)

EMERSON LAKE & PALMER Works Vol. 2 | review
VANGELIS Mythodea | review
EMERSON LAKE & PALMER In the Hot Seat | review
RICK WAKEMAN Frost In Space | review
 
If anyone has better suggestions let me know as I'm always interested in providing reviews that are fair no matter how I feel about the subgenre itself.
       


Truth be told, I don't really think that Vangelis Chariots of Fire is prog at all.
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And was it really him, Nad Sylvan ? Wasn't it some kind of troll who acted in his name ? I mean it's not that hard to act as someone else on the internet. Not hard at all.
 
Yes he is, he has posted here a couple years ago, and we used that account to communicate before he dent me the bio of Unifaun
 
Originally posted by Uninad Uninad wrote:

I feel I have to explain a bit. Of course we could have done something completely different in the prog area.
If you listen to some of my solo efforts like "McNamara´s son" which is a mix of prog and funk/soul
you will hear a completely different caracter on the whole.
 
 
Bon and I happened to glue because of the Genesis vibe, and so we took it from there -
basically to see where we would end up. The album would never had seen the light of day
if it were´nt for constant demands from a growing fan base. So I´d like to see the whole
project as a flirt, a homage and a tribute to one of the most influential bands of all time.
 
Mind you, a record like this haven´t really been produced in a very long time by Genesis
or any other band for that matter. To some people it might just be the feeling of "coming home"
when listening to it. At least to us it is! But then again, we are both pushing 50, so it must be an age thing!
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Take care out there!
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Nad
 
 
 
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