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Negoba
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5208 |
Posted: April 22 2010 at 16:08 |
Isn't Chris Poland there all the time? To be certain, Chris' style leans heavily on Holdsworth, but I think the student has stepped beyond the master on this one, as it should be.
I can appreciate that absolutely no one did anything like the kind of playing Holdworth did before he did. But lots of guitarists have taken his techniques and moved forward. I'm warming to the Bruford album after a couple listens.
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The Quiet One
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
Posted: April 22 2010 at 16:11 |
I never recommended One of a Kind to you for a reason.
You should have got Enigmatic Ocean.
Seriously, glad you liked Gazeuse so far, it's indeed a fantastic fusion album.
Oh and btw, I do understand why you bought One of a Kind; Dave Stewart, Bruford and Holdsworth does seem like a killer outfit, unfortunately for me it never lived up my expectations. Edited by The Quiet One - April 22 2010 at 16:13 |
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Negoba
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5208 |
Posted: April 22 2010 at 16:16 |
Should have trusted you. Enigmatic Ocean is in my future. |
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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The Quiet One
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
Posted: April 22 2010 at 16:22 |
Let's hope my recommendation doesn't end up in the trash bin.
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Dick Heath
Special Collaborator Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12813 |
Posted: April 23 2010 at 11:02 |
Holdsworth, Husband and Johnson have a residency at London's famed Ronnie Scott's Club in the near future.
Gary Husband is at last in demand, plays keys for John McLaughlin and drums for Holdsworth - what next, sax for Pat Metheny?
BTW Wayne Krantz Group at Ronnies 3/4th May Edited by Dick Heath - April 23 2010 at 11:06 |
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Bj-1
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Posted: April 23 2010 at 11:50 |
Make sure you check out his solo stuff as well, I.O.U and Metal Fatigue in particular. Edited by Bj-1 - April 23 2010 at 11:52 |
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mckramin
Forum Newbie Joined: April 28 2010 Location: capecod Status: Offline Points: 13 |
Posted: April 28 2010 at 15:26 |
I think the best Holdsworth stuff is with PM's Gong, Bruford, and Tony William's Lifetime. I have a lot of his solo albums, but found that the guitar playing was great, but the overall music compositions weren't anything special.
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Negoba
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5208 |
Posted: April 28 2010 at 15:30 |
I'm getting into him more on multiple listens. His playing on Gazeuse reminds me alot of Steve Vai in places. (Of course any causation would go the other direction). One of a Kind is pretty much 3 star material for me. It's good but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone early in their jazz-fusion phase. Luckily I'm long past that so it's still a good addition for me.
Gazeuse is quite a find for me. It's probably up in my top 10 fusion albums, at least right now.
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avalanchemaster
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 02 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 730 |
Posted: April 28 2010 at 22:07 |
I started with Road Games ep, and it is still probably my favorite.
A great collection is "Against The Clock" which is a double disc... one is all synth-axe material and one is all guitar stuff. It has a great array of material....
also, his live albums are great! "Then!" and "All Night Wrong" (Live in Japan--- the title beig a play on japanese mispronunciation of the word "long" LOL- or at least that is how I interpret the double entendre)... are both great. I almost prefer them. Usually the individual instruments really sound clear and distinct.
I have pretty much all of the solo stuff... some Gong, and then some Tony Williams.... I prefer his solo stuff...
try to find some dvds or videos or even vids on youtube, he is amazing to watch perform. He mostly plays those crazy fast legato runs with his eyes closed! That is guitar mastery...
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Kazuhiro
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 14 2009 Location: Tokyo, Japan Status: Offline Points: 1336 |
Posted: April 28 2010 at 22:40 |
These albums were exactly recorded in Japan. The content is indeed music of fine quality.
"All Night Wrong" was recorded in the place that was called "Pit-Inn" that existed in Japan.
Allan Holdsworth has adjusted all musical instruments at the stage of the rehearsal. And, all the positions of the volume and the mike were arranged. And, time that live starts was waited for.
However, people who worked by "Pit-Inn" changed the arrangement that Allan Holdsworth gave further and mended arrangement.
Allan Holdsworth that knew it was very angry. And, it was disappointed. It is said that Allan Holdsworth was going to stop the musical career really this time.
And, the completed album is called "All Night Wrong".
It is not "All Night Long"
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avalanchemaster
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 02 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 730 |
Posted: April 29 2010 at 00:25 |
very interesting background info on the live albums....
and I know it is NOT "All Night LONG", I was merely making a VERY, VERY tasteless joke! |
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Dick Heath
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Posted: April 29 2010 at 07:27 |
However, as a Brit, expect Allan to be using the title as a double entendre i.e both explanations of All NIght Wrong to be relevant.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: April 29 2010 at 07:46 |
I believe from talking to a number of long term devoted AH fans, that there many of us feel this way - indeed a few have suggested that after Metal Fatigue, Holdsworth's compositions have been vehicles of his superb playing, but few have that "old grey whistle test" thing about them cf. Fred (aka Kinder) from the late 70's and personal favourite. I feel Holdsworth comes into his own playing other's compositions and he does touch on the essence of what the tune is about many time . My reference point is the brilliant short solo on Jack Bruce's Obsession (ex. A Question Of Time); less than 1 minutes of guitar work that says 'obsession' to me. Often Holdsworth's contributions to others' recordings makes the mediocre shine (e.g. Stanley Clarke's Stories To Tell). However, I wish Holdsworth would take more opportunities to record with the artists, rather than drop in x bars of solo into a pre-recorded tape isolated in some distant studio - e.g. Jens Johansson's Heavy Machinery, MVP's Truth In Shredding - sometimes I don't feel a rapport in his playing.
BTW anybody heard Fred played on Blues For Tony double CD? I t sounds to me Alan Pasqua played his solo and almost closed the number, before remembering there was more to come and needing to rescue the tune allowing Holdsworth to do his solo - IMHO there is a strange hiccup between the two solos.
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Garion81
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Posted: April 29 2010 at 11:31 |
^ I saw an interesting concert with Alan Holdsworth, Terry Bozzio, Tony Levin and Pat Mastelotto in January. They just played from a blank page for about 2 hours +. It was really cool to hear the sounds and music they came up with. There were some dragging moments but sometimes they would hit a groove that was just incredible. I wouldn't want to see this every time I saw Alan play but wow we were blown away. They only did this on the west coast of the USA that I am aware of.
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Bitterblogger
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 04 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1719 |
Posted: April 29 2010 at 17:56 |
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Garion81
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Posted: April 29 2010 at 18:43 |
here is a link to some pics of the show I was at
and Tony's blog about the 6 stops they did play: From the Whittier concert you can sort of see us in the front row. And I saw on Tony's site they are playing this in Europe right now. I would say if it comes by you go see it.
Edited by Garion81 - April 29 2010 at 18:44 |
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