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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2009 at 12:57
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Moatilliatta Moatilliatta wrote:

 
OK, I'm going to keep this one as brief as possible.
 
Sigur Ros, now that you've brought in new adjectives to describe them, it's become clear that you have only listened to one of their albums. I've heard more but reviewed only one. The same that I dislike DT-haters reviewing every DT album with one star, I guess Sigur Ros fans would dislike if I, a person who is known for not liking Sigur Ros, would review all their albums (or the ones I've heard) with low ratings.   I went to your collaborator page, and sure enough, you've only put down a review for ( ), and for that I can understand your position completely. Well, I don't know for a fact that you listened to several Sigur albums and only reviewed one, but it seems like you hated ( ) so much that you didn't bother with any of their other albums. Almost.  If that is true, it's not fair to say they don't change or have one mood only. In the ones I've tried, yes. I don't see what's wrong with having a common mood throughout an album, but if a band maintained that mood throughout all of their albums, I would agree that that is not desireable. haven't tried their newer stuff though. However, please take a few minutes to listen to their song "Gobbledigook" Doing so right now... Never had... and tell me that Sigur Ros doesn't change, revolves around "bland repetition," and maintains one mood only. that song sounds a little better, less whining, in a different mood... It's better, I can say. Well, maybe they have improved with time after all. But that's just one song. Let me try more from that new album right now... I'm trying "Festival" which is longer and therefore more dangerous... let me see...
 
DEP: sure, you like some techy bands, but what I noticed from your profile about which ones you like is that they are not the hectic, noisy kind like DEP and TRC are. That is kinda true. But there are some that, while noisy and not too much to my liking, I can recognize as bands with quality and merits.... I fail to see it with DEP. Certainly the ones you do like are loud and what not too, but there is a certain thing about the speeds, dissonance and spastic nature in these two bands' music that differs from the ones you enjoy most.  That's true but, again, when we have a thread about worst band with no judging parameters, I will use what for me is destroying music as parameter for bad, and DEP are masters of that.
 
The parameters thing is completely true, but what I was trying to get at is if two bands fail on the sibjective taste level, they can still be evaluated in other ways, like instrumental skills. Correct. And I would be a fool if I didn't recognize that DEP can play their asses off their instruments. They CAN play. No question about that. I'm just accusing them of what others accuse DT of: playing as fast and technical as possible with no purpose. I was not trying to tie it into the topic of this thread; I was merely pointing out that even if your tastes tell you something is bad, you can still look past that, if only for a moment, and evaluate other parts of the music.Which I tried. And if not evident, it was my bad.
 
 
Edit: I've finished "Festival" from their last album and.... well....... it's my good old Sigur Ros, the one I have to stay away from... Tongue
 
You didn't find the build and finale of Festival extremely more peppy/postive/happy/etc. than the material on ( )? Still, I will agree that Festival is more on the bland/boring side of Sigur Ros compositionally so I can't argue with you too much there. Anyhow, most of the new album and even a handful of songs on Takk... might be a lot more to your liking, especially the first four tracks. It still won't be one of your favorites, but still, you may notice that they aren't as "bad" as they used to be.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2009 at 13:01
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Mmm.... maybe so Moatilliatta, maybe so.
 
But remember people here said DT and ELP can be some of the worst bands (not talking about The Doctor's joking post of course).... So maybe we're free to say it because maybe it's true for us.
 
Someone even said DT is literally the worst prog band ever even after recognizing they are fantastically skilled. So it seems other people when talking about other bands don't have to make the same differentiation? I think not. Is just that for somne of us, a particular band just represents all that is wrong. While there might be much worse bands than Sigur Ros in many many ways, I probably haven't heard it, and neither have you. So I have to choose from the ones in our database, don't I? As everybody else did.
 
Obviously, if we compare Sigur Ros with Justin timberlake.... well.... I mean....
 
 
 
Well I would use a similar argument for the people who say those things about DT and ELP.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2009 at 21:17
Worst prog band.....don't know, don't really want to think about it....
 
Worst album on this site....I do know....
 
Pat Metheny's Zero Tolerance for Silence. No contest....It is so unbelievable as to be a joke.
 
He also has one of the best modern Jazz albums on the site (with some proggy elements, The Way Up) and lot of solid stuff.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2009 at 09:56
Well, just for fun, I'll mention what to me was the worst album and band I've ever heard in the prog genre.

It was actually the result of a mistake in a CD order I placed.  Greg Walker accidentally sent me "No More Rhymes But Mr. Brainstorm", by a band called Theater.  I think they are Italians.  He suggested I go ahead and give it a listen, and just keep it if I liked it.  They are not on this site, and I have no idea if they have any other albums, but I would sincerely hope not.  Bad production, bad playing, bad songs with bad arrangements, and an absolutely horrible singer who I can't imagine anyone enjoying. The general style was kind of a Genesis/Fish Marillion type of thing.  But the band were so obviously amateur musicians (I'm a musician myself, so skill level is fairly obvious for me when listening to music) and the singer so off key and horrid sounding, I have to wonder how this album ever even got made.

Anyway, this album pretty much fits Ivan's criteria, except the fact it was actually made.  I really can't imagine how anyone on this board (or anywhere really, except possibly the band themselves......and I question even that) could enjoy it.  But, they made the thing, so I guess maybe someone liked it.

Since it was a mistake, Greg let me send it back and sent me the one he was supposed to send in the first place.  Thank goodness for that.

(I had to go digging through old emails to find the name, but the bad memory of the album remains with me still...........it was like a traumatic experience, it was that bad.........but I suppose there was humor in it as well, as I tried to imagine how it ever got made into a complete CD package to be sold to unsuspecting prog heads looking for something new and different)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2009 at 10:33
This band is the worst prog band:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BgNhR9oisM

Do you know why they are the worst prog band? There is only one reason. Here it is:

Because Google said so. That's why.

As an aside, I remember there was a point where if you typed "Worst Band in the World" into Google it would suggest Creed.

BTW: In case it wasn't clear, I don't think that the band I posted above (Behold... The Arctopus) is the worst prog band. I actually rather liked it. But you cannot argue with the omniscience of Google, and that is the final word.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2009 at 12:01
^LOL Those two soloing together can hardly be the worst prog band ever.... But the other google veridict, Creed, seems like a more rational choice.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2009 at 12:18
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

It's funny how the mention of these rather modern metal bands as possible "worst ever" groups brings inmediate reaction of some fans. I guess it's a generational thing: while you could be very comfortable with people calling ELP or DT the worst ever, you have to jump when a band of your times is being viewed under a less than flattering light. Youth breeds change, no question about that. I'm kind of trapped in between that and a more conservative approach towards my music. Hell, without youth, there will be no changes and evolution. But if your values reigned supreme, at the same time, chaos and overindulgence would also be without restraint. Anyway, I like what I read. At least people are discussing in a civil manner.
 

 

You realize we are in the same generation as you? And I don't like the assumption that the defense of Sigur Ros is a result of them being a modern band. If the last reply I saw was saying that Focus was the worst prog band ever I would have given the same response, even though I don't particularly like Focus.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2009 at 13:07
Conor... come on... you know the answer is "A Hero A Fake"! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2009 at 22:11
Well if you want to consider them prog Coheed and Cambria. I can only listen to a song for 1 second before I turn that guy's whiney emo voice off. If not then I can't really judge a worst band.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2009 at 13:06

The Worst Prog Band, or any band for that matter, is a band who has these characteristics...

1. The desire to be some one/band other than who they are.
2. The Clone syndrome of their instruments, sound and playing after another band.
3. Unoriginal song-writing and lick stealing.
4. Inability to read music or create on their own.
5. Inconsistent song structures that become snippets of time changing garbage.
 
 
These points are possessed by a real band. A band many folks on these forum pages, have raved
adinfinitum about.  And why people buy into hearing these clones, is beyond my understanding.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2009 at 20:18
Originally posted by Jake Kobrin Jake Kobrin wrote:

Conor... come on... you know the answer is "A Hero A Fake"! 
 
Oh yes, those guys!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 12:21
I've never liked Goblin
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 15:04
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Amon Duul 2-sorry about this, heard fantastic things said about them, delved into several classic period recordings, and it did not stand the test of time for me, at all-some of it does not sound progressive at all, and almost like new wave!
     In the german scene, much prefer Triumvirat, Passport, Dzyan, Wallenstein, Brainstorm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 15:09
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

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Amon Duul 2-sorry about this, heard fantastic things said about them, delved into several classic period recordings, and it did not stand the test of time for me, at all-some of it does not sound progressive at all, and almost like new wave!
     In the german scene, much prefer Triumvirat, Passport, Dzyan, Wallenstein, Brainstorm
 
Ouch I knew I shouldn't have looked at this thread!  
 
(Could it be some 'new wave' was influenced by such bands?)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 15:55
This thread is really old now that I've come across it.  I would have to say one of my least favorite bands on this site is It Bites.  I saw them open for Jethro Tull in San Francisco in the 80s and they did not go over too well.  The lead lad said, "We're from England, and we're called It Bites.  Apparently that means something different over here."  He was right.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 16:07
Originally posted by proggy proggy wrote:

Focus
Perhaps you have lost yoursLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 16:18
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

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Lot of wisdom, you seem to have
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 16:46
I don't like negativity threads, as mentioning anything will offend someone who likes mentioned band.

I do, however, feel moral obligation to warn everyone to stay away from Simon Railton. I can't imagine anyone who might like his ehm...prog music.

You're allowed to approach it only once, to check the samples in disbelief. You need a dose of  Valium.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 16:49
Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

I don't like negativity threads, as mentioning anything will offend someone who likes mentioned band.

I do, however, feel moral obligation to warn everyone to stay away from Simon Railton. I can't imagine anyone who might like his ehm...prog music.

You're allowed to approach it only once, to check the samples in disbelief. You need a dose of  Valium.

/thread.


Hear, hearClap! I have to say that, in spite of some of the stinkers I have had to listen to for reviewing purposes in the past few months, nothing plumbed the same depths reached by said musician.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2010 at 18:20
I'm glad this thread got going again! 

I'll tell ya, it is NOT easy to be a prog musician!  I could get smashed drunk & play reggae or blues bass all night long, and probably have my Chicago audience boppin' and dancin' and partyin'.

Get me that drunk, give me my Les Paul and have me perform Fripp's work from Eno's "Baby's On Fire," and the authorities would be called!!  

Given that, DeafMoon posted this wise information:

The Worst Prog Band, or any band for that matter, is a band who has these characteristics...

1. The desire to be some one/band other than who they are.
2. The Clone syndrome of their instruments, sound and playing after another band.
3. Unoriginal song-writing and lick stealing.
4. Inability to read music or create on their own.
5. Inconsistent song structures that become snippets of time changing garbage.
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Sadly, I'd say this encompasses much of prog music I've heard since about TFTO and The Lamb!  I'm guilty of it myself *sob*

Even bands who were REALLY good at it, like Starcastle and Flash, were still always compared to Yes, with some great justification.   Oh well, sometimes that works out very well, like Marillion with Fish.  Other times, not so much.  

In terms of new prog, I saw the big DT tour with Scale the Summit (energetic performance by some talented kids), Big Elf (man, they were hard to listen to) and DT (never one of my favorites, endless/pointless solos with mediocre vocals and dull, uninspired bass).   But, at least they were all original artists who didn't rip anyone off, so a tip of the hat to them all!
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