DT... already a prog legend?

Loudness = / = Heaviness.  Sabbath is definitely metal and imo more metal than a lot of DT.  Lately, DT do have a lot of metal in their music but much of it has simply been prog rock with metallic riffs, which is not quite the same thing as metal.

Just for the record: I didn't mention Sabbath, nor do I think they are metal - they're much more than that. Anyway, if you think music should be defined by loudness, I am afraid we're never going to agree... What so much prog-metal lacks these days is not volume, but sheer power. Black Sabbath may sound soft to your ears, but I'd urge you to give a listen to stuff like "War Pigs" or "Symptom of the Universe", and then you might revise your judgment. 

Raff wrote: Just for the record: I didn't mention Sabbath, nor do I think they are metal - they're much more than that. Anyway, if you think music should be defined by loudness, I am afraid we're never going to agree... What so much prog-metal lacks these days is not volume, but sheer power. Black Sabbath may sound soft to your ears, but I'd urge you to give a listen to stuff like "War Pigs" or "Symptom of the Universe", and then you might revise your judgment.

Edited by jampa17 - February 10 2010 at 10:01

I've got four DT albums, and whilst I would never state that I am an adoring fan of the band, no one with an inkling of prog knowledge could deny that they are probably THE leading exponents of the genre right now, both commercially and through media statements.

All respect to a bunch of latter day legends

i  read some post and i think that Sabbath has many many excellents riffs and heavyness that many bands lacks today. I add that also the Sabbath music have a density and a depth that others bands lacks.

The thing about DT is that I don't think any band has had quite a monopoly or a stranglehold on prog quite like what DT has had for the past 15-20 years. They've really kinda been THE prog band of the 90s and 00s, as I believe Jeff noted earlier. For that reason, I don't think we have any choice but to look back at this time and crown them as the kings of current prog.

I don't see how anybody can say that DT is not a legend, and I am not a fan of them at all.

If one means by legend, "a romanticized or popularized myth of modern times", then....

jampa17 wrote: Yes... yesterday I read one review of yours in that matter... but com'n... Sabbath is not metal... or well, is not heavy... Now, Priest and Maiden are really the thing but you see... the revolution of metal happens in the 80's... maybe Sabbath was the first metal band, but it sound very soft nowadays don't you think... I mean... Metal has become a lot louder this days, of course there are some mommy whommy metal bands but in this case, I do believe that the older guys do not stand DT for their heavieness... but OK... I take it back... In this site there's people who don't give enough value to metal... but the younger generations are really pushing them up... is that better...???

I have time for Dream Theater. They're a great band, especially live, but I personally dont hold them in the same legendary esteem, as Genesis, Yes, Crimson et al. The main reason for this, is the legendary prog bands of old, were unique. Nothing like their music had gone before. Dream Theater, on the other hand wear their influences on their sleeve, to the point of playing covers for encores.

I would argue that The Mars Volta are more deserving of such a title.

I'm not running Dream Theater down, they're one of the bands that keep the prog flag flying high, and track for track, I think I enjoy them more than TMV. But legends? No, not really.