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    Posted: January 25 2010 at 10:43
Hey Guys,
I started playing in 6th grade and played till 8th. I stopped and picked it back up a year ago after I started listening to yes. I can now play roundabout, close to the edge, starship trooper etc and I'm starting to get into scale modes. For any of you who write/imitate serious prog, any suggestions for modes to create those Howe/Hacketty sounds? Any favorite chord patterns?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2010 at 12:07
I'm not phenomenal, but I know he uses the Aolian and the Phrygian modes a lot. Like the solo in Awaken.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2010 at 07:57
I've seen Hackett play on one string throughout a solo if that's any consultation to you, I don't know. What I Am trying to say is his electric playing is unpredictable and not always based off particular scale modes everytime. His usage of tri-tones are sort of in the same vain as Steve Hillage. One of his hero's was Bob Fripp. Do you play the acoustic ragtime style solo in Starship Trooper? It is definitely some sweat and toil from Steve Howe.
 
I write prog but, I try to steer clear of imitating. When I listen to Holst, The Planets, I can hear where many prog ideas derive from. You should try playing some of the chord patterns in the music of Happy the Man. It's kind of interesting to play along with Steaming Pipes from Crafty Hands. I've played and taught mostly Hackett's classical pieces and not his electric playing. Many of the finger stretching, rapid right hand alternate picking in prog guitar I mastered long ago from recordings by 'The Ventures, George Barnes, Les Paul and John McLaughlin. It's more of a difficult feat to explore that route of playing however, it is worthwhile to your experience of mastering something which takes years of practice as opposed to learning a Steve Howe solo which derives from Jim Hall's style or Charlie Christian anyway. It is healthy to grab some of the proggers influences first before playing their prog rock pieces. Understanding their influences will send you on your way to becoming an original prog writer and player. Just as they did. Add as much to your own vocabulary by exposing yourself to music which you may not at first find admirable but, can push you to evolve in the correct direction. I am obviously making reference to a growing process which takes considerable amount of time. Take some influence from the older generation of jazz players and classical composers and you will learn of the secrets contained within prog.
 
You can do this by learning as much theory as possible however, you should work on training your ear as well. Just like various old proggers did when they were in their youth. For example, if you play single note style along with Holst The Planets your ear will naturally develop to a higher level. If you put emphasis on learning just Howe and Hackett solos, you will be closing yourself off to a large degree regarding expansion as a player. If you enjoy learning their solos, then it's okay within itself but, do not limit yourself by consistently playing their version of things. Trace your favorite prog musicians influences. No matter how much you hate the idea or dread the thought. If anything, at least you will be traveling some of the same musical paths they did. When I was a kid, I tried to emulate Steve Howe and various other players of that genre. My Dad would bust my butt and tell me not base my learning experience from that totally and to go for the source more. In the end, I had a wider understanding and a fully trained ear. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2010 at 08:56
It isn't really the scales that creates their sound to be honest.
It's more note choice and phrasing than anything else.
Learn the modes of the major, melodic minor and harmonic minor scales and your options will be pretty limitless as far as being able to know what notes to use for what contexts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2010 at 09:12
It's highly recommended to study the 'arpeggios' (chords deployed like scales). Some examples: maj7 and 7 (major and minor) in different positions. Also, you should study pentatonic scales.
 
Howe uses a lot a technique called finger-picking (I don't know if it's right): you use the pick to play the bass of chord and the other fingers to play the chord or a melody.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2010 at 06:28
I've been playing for almost 40 years and the best advice I ever got was from a guitar teacher I had in college-"don't worry about who you sound like, make sure your playing fits the song," Learn to improvise and be comfortable just jamming, then it becomes easy to play almost anything you want. I was never big on playing lots of scales and concentrated on finding the right notes and/or chords to fit the song. Have fun and good luck!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2010 at 09:46
Greetings!  I'm assuming you play electric, so be sure to explore both electric AND acoustic guitar playing!  They are quite different animals.

Regarding "Howe//Hacketty" sounds, be sure to buy a high-quality volume pedal (assuming you play electric!).  This allows you to "swell" your notes, and can give you the ability to transform your guitar sound towards a violin-like quality.  Robert Fripp was especially adept at this.

Last bit for today: always be sure you are IN TUNE!!  My biggest gripe is when I play with out-of-tune/tone-deaf musicians!!   And, start slowly, there are no awards for speed playing when you are learning!  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2010 at 09:56

Use your ears and your heart, not so much your fingers and your brain.

You have to practice with the second two, but what makes music is the first two. A big big helper is transcribing. Not only learning to play what you hear, but then being able to put it down on paper so at least yourself and hopefully others can come back and play it. A combo of tab and classical notation is best for this.
 
It's the one activity that exercises the multiple parts of your musical abilities as a guitarist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2010 at 19:17
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Use your ears and your heart, not so much your fingers and your brain.


I totally agree with this. So many people get bogged down with the technical aspect of playing and forget about the creative side. Try writing some of your own music on the guitar, its a diffrent take on opening up the fretboard.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2010 at 04:20
i think that you should just abandon all theory and write whatever you feel sounds unique. You can use modes and scales all your life, but never build anything around them, because then you will not feel the way you believe it will feel.
 
The scales and modes can be added after the main body is composed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2010 at 04:34
not phenomenal at all, just accomplished to a reasonable degree but sooo far from where I'd like to be, been at it off & on for 30 years..  lots of good advice here, I'd add the importance of tone (both for electric and acoustic but especially electric), figure out what kind of sound appeals to you and find an amp that will oblige; a Marshall stack is unnecessary for this purpose and a good smaller amp will do as long as it's providing the tone(s) that pleases you and gives the sound [or range of sound] that you like, i.e. I was a Gilmour man when it came to tone, Randy Rhoads too for harder stuff, and though I loved how other players sounded - Eddie, Jeff Beck, Iommi, etc. - once I found that balance of depth, power and sustain I liked, my playing improved because I was happier


Originally posted by yanch yanch wrote:

I've been playing for almost 40 years and the best advice I ever got was from a guitar teacher I had in college-"don't worry about who you sound like, make sure your playing fits the song,"


good advice



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