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NecronCommander
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Prog Metal Team
Joined: September 17 2009
Location: Madison, WI
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Points: 16122
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Posted: January 17 2010 at 17:36 |
Textbook wrote:
NecronCommander wrote:
I don't feel enough people understand the complexity of prog, arguably one of the most complex musical forms created. Popular music like hip-hop, rap, country, pop, and alternative all have such simple and repetitive composition that few people know what good songwriting actually is. |
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I don't think it's unnecessary isolation. It's just individualistic musical tastes. I share a little bit of musical interests with friends, though. Older metal artists like Ozzy Osbourne, Maiden, and Metallica, and some older alternative and grunge. I try to introduce my friends to more accessible prog artists like Spock's Beard, the new PT album, and a little Dream Theater, some of which has gone over successfully.
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The Block
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Joined: September 01 2009
Location: St. Alfonzo's
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Points: 924
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Posted: January 17 2010 at 18:00 |
I agree that more popular prog goes over better with non-proggies
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Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp!
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Manuelmoreno
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Joined: December 17 2008
Location: Barranquilla
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Points: 51
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Posted: January 21 2010 at 08:59 |
drummerpablo1 wrote:
I strongly believe that Progressive Rock is music that cannot be easily and fully appreciated the first time you hear it (just about any Rush fan can tell you a record by that holy trinity flowers over time)
I believe most people are capable of appreciating Progressive Rock, yet only after many listenings. (For the record, the same applies to Classical and Jazz music, in general.)
One way to convert your friends and loved ones is to play more moderate songs ("YYZ" is simpler than "Natural Science", for instance) relatively softly and many times over the course of weeks or months or even years!
(They will feel the waves coming on if you take the time!)
Through patient conditioning, they will be able to properly digest such alienatingly different music, and then they will take a liking to it.
Also, there's a way to say things; if I say that this is the best type of music in the world, a non-believer will be less likely to enjoy Progressive Rock than if I say it's music most wouldn't enjoy without an open mind.
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Well said
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Slartibartfast
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Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam
Joined: April 29 2006
Location: Atlantais
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Points: 29630
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Posted: January 21 2010 at 09:16 |
Hit them with soft rocks, they'll really appreciate it.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Procol Harum Machine
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Joined: January 19 2010
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Points: 36
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Posted: January 21 2010 at 15:03 |
I have a couple of friends who like Genesis, Rick Wakeman, Yes, and Jethro Tull, but other from that, nada.
P.S. Somebody I met on another forum had an obsession with Procol Harum, does that also count?
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Catcher10
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Joined: December 23 2009
Location: Emerald City
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Points: 17845
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Posted: January 21 2010 at 15:06 |
My house..my rules ...my music...U want some of my BBQ?? Deal with it...if not its bread and water for you.
Seriously though most of my friends know that I am a "heavy rocker guy" Downstairs in the media room I will have all types prog playing. When PT comes on that's when I get the questions of "what is that?" Upstairs you can't hear it as much so I am conscious about what they hear, I'm not gonna blare it upstairs...
My wife is not anal.....she deals with my music (she is from New Orleans) so jazz is her flavor.....But she is a trooper and has been to all my concerts. She likes Rush very much and enjoys Scorpions, Coheed & Cambria and Pink Floyd....among others.
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Slartibartfast
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Joined: April 29 2006
Location: Atlantais
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Points: 29630
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Posted: January 21 2010 at 15:19 |
Catcher10 wrote:
My house..my rules ...my music...U want some of my BBQ?? Deal with it...if not its bread and water for you.
Seriously though most of my friends know that I am a "heavy rocker guy" Downstairs in the media room I will have all types prog playing. When PT comes on that's when I get the questions of "what is that?" Upstairs you can't hear it as much so I am conscious about what they hear, I'm not gonna blare it upstairs...
My wife is not anal.....she deals with my music (she is from New Orleans) so jazz is her flavor.....But she is a trooper and has been to all my concerts. She likes Rush very much and enjoys Scorpions, Coheed & Cambria and Pink Floyd....among others. |
So no butt sex then? Sorry that's a bad joke. The wife and I get along musically though. Our tastes are most certainly not in sync. But then speaking of things I love to taste... As long as I don't crank it up too much we exist peacefully musically speaking.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Catcher10
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Joined: December 23 2009
Location: Emerald City
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Posted: January 21 2010 at 16:03 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
My house..my rules ...my music...U want some of my BBQ?? Deal with it...if not its bread and water for you.
Seriously though most of my friends know that I am a "heavy rocker guy" Downstairs in the media room I will have all types prog playing. When PT comes on that's when I get the questions of "what is that?" Upstairs you can't hear it as much so I am conscious about what they hear, I'm not gonna blare it upstairs...
My wife is not anal.....she deals with my music (she is from New Orleans) so jazz is her flavor.....But she is a trooper and has been to all my concerts. She likes Rush very much and enjoys Scorpions, Coheed & Cambria and Pink Floyd....among others. |
So no butt sex then? Sorry that's a bad joke. The wife and I get along musically though. Our tastes are most certainly not in sync. But then speaking of things I love to taste...
As long as I don't crank it up too much we exist peacefully musically speaking.
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Ok that's funny...I don't care who you are!!
As mentioned that's why the media room is downstairs....I can crank pretty high and upstairs they (family) don't say much to me. Its the live Rush where Neil's bass is pretty boomy where the proverbial "can you crank it down a few decibels......." will come in. So I guess if I want that butt sex from the spousal unit...I better turn it down!!
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Xanthous
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 16 2009
Location: Dayton, Ohio
Status: Offline
Points: 207
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Posted: January 21 2010 at 16:38 |
My friends are really into prog now. My friend Chris just got Lather by Frank Zappa and another friend has most of the Yes albums loves the Floyd. I can pretty much play Prog with any of my friends but these two in particular seem to love it. We seem to agree with each others tastes a little too much. (They tend to latch on to whatever I've just discovered)
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drummerpablo1
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Joined: September 16 2009
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Points: 20
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Posted: January 22 2010 at 14:53 |
Thank you, Manuel!
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June
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Joined: November 03 2008
Location: Montreal
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Points: 6521
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Posted: January 22 2010 at 21:28 |
Kotro wrote:
What friends? |
Sounds about right. I work in a nearly all-female environment and openly complaining about Bon Jovi and Celine Dion has nearly completely ruined every chance of making friends with them . And I spent the last 8 years in a relationship with a guy who complained about my music at every chance he got, so I think I've reached the point that a lot of people mentioned "It's my house, I play what I want" point too. But, my family is pretty open minded about my music in general, they'll try anything, even if they don't like it. My mom quite enjoyed QVL, in particular. I'm wondering if it's easier for people who pursued musical studies after high school to find people who enjoy prog.
The Truth wrote:
But lets all face it, a lot of stuff is better when you listen to it by yourself |
I agree with this. Big time. I find that my music listening has become quite a private experience over the years, and I find it hard still to share it with people. I guess you can find people here and there with whom you can sit down and just listen to a record with, without having the need to talk (unless you really want to talk about it) but I have yet to meet these people outside of online realms (well, and prog gigs).
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himtroy
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Joined: January 20 2009
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Points: 1601
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 12:24 |
With barely any exception my friends like prog rock. Thats probably mostly because everyone I hang out with either plays in my band, or in a band, or at least is over my house when we play (hearing prog at the volume we're jamming at will make anyone tolerable to prog at normal volumes.) Then some of them have different tastes, but cross over tastes enough that we learn from eachother. For example, my sax player listens to a lot of jazz, so we give each other lots of prog and jazz/jazz fusion back and forth.
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micky
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Joined: October 02 2005
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 12:34 |
June wrote:
But, my family is pretty open minded about my music in general, they'll try anything, even if they don't like it. My mom quite enjoyed QVL, in particular.
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tell your mom that she rocks! especially if it is the first QVL album that floats her boat
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Tsevir Leirbag
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Joined: May 03 2009
Location: Montréal
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Points: 8321
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Posted: January 24 2010 at 14:05 |
The Truth wrote:
But lets all face it, a lot of stuff is better when you listen to it by yourself |
June wrote:
I agree with this. Big time. I find that my music listening has become quite a private experience over the years, and I find it hard still to share it with people. I guess you can find people here and there with whom you can sit down and just listen to a record with, without having the need to talk (unless you really want to talk about it) but I have yet to meet these people outside of online realms (well, and prog gigs).
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I have to listen to RIO/Avant/Zeuhl alone, so I can concentrate fully on the music and NOTHING else, and appreciate it much more.
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Les mains, les pieds balancés
Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers,
Un marin mort,
Il dormira
- Paul Éluard
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Thyme Traveler
Forum Senior Member
Joined: February 12 2006
Location: United States
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Points: 164
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Posted: January 27 2010 at 08:54 |
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Fire up the flux capacitor ! We're taking this Delorean through all four dimensions.
What is the future of prog ? Genesis reunion ? I'm not telling!That could upset the thyme/space continuum.
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manch1ech00ta
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Joined: December 13 2009
Location: reykjavík
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Points: 51
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Posted: January 27 2010 at 13:01 |
nearly all of my friends are straight out metalheads, so when try to put something decent on they say something, oh man your so weird or this silly or somelike that. it just sucks donkey balls. i have to put up with alot metal when hanging with them...
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Kashmir75
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 25 2009
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Points: 1029
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Posted: January 27 2010 at 19:56 |
Thyme Traveler wrote:
kingfriso wrote:
progkidjoel wrote:
I have a couple of friends who like prog, but they're mostly into prog metal, so they literally laugh when I put on a Marillion disc.
So usually not |
The same for me most of the time, friends of mine like progressive metal and are still a bit critical on '70 progressive music. |
What do they say? "Prog isn't prog without the death metal growls"
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My 17 y.o brother likes prog metal, and a lot of modern prog, that I've played him: Dream Theater, Radiohead, Muse, Porcupine Tree, Mars Volta, etc. He's a bit dubious about 70s prog, though. He does like Pink Floyd, and some Yes. But he prefers the Trevor Rabin- 90125 era.
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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himtroy
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 20 2009
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Points: 1601
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Posted: January 27 2010 at 20:21 |
My friends and I frequently turn each other on to new music (as in unheard music, not recently dated usually). Usually immediately following class we're hanging out in my basement in front of the speakers relaxing, always a good time to pop on some music. My choices are usually prog, and most of them have the respect to actually listen rather than just talk over it endlessly. We also have music on when playing video games all the time, which is a good time to put on full albums.
However i will agree with the previous notion that nothing can top listening to music alone. Nothing and nobody to bother you, you can sit there and do whatever you want to do (which is usually absolutely nothing) while listening to your favorite albums. My first listen through an album is almost always alone so that nobody can interrupt it.
Edited by himtroy - January 27 2010 at 20:22
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wifehawk
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Joined: March 07 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 10
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Posted: February 07 2010 at 12:58 |
I have a friend who likes to listen to music she hasn't listened to before. My husband (Windhawk) will often put on some tune that is quite different, and many would maybe say it's spaced out or too alternative. Instead of frowning, my friend says that it sounds interesting. Mind you, she has friends who listen to very weird music that would make most people dizzy, so I'm not surprised. We'll put on prog music in the background any time when she's visiting.
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verslibre
Forum Senior Member
Joined: July 01 2004
Location: CA
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Points: 17055
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Posted: February 12 2010 at 16:50 |
Kashmir75 wrote:
Thyme Traveler wrote:
kingfriso wrote:
progkidjoel wrote:
I have a couple of friends who like prog, but they're mostly into prog metal, so they literally laugh when I put on a Marillion disc.
So usually not |
The same for me most of the time, friends of mine like progressive metal and are still a bit critical on '70 progressive music. |
What do they say? "Prog isn't prog without the death metal growls"
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My 17 y.o brother likes prog metal, and a lot of modern prog, that I've played him: Dream Theater, Radiohead, Muse, Porcupine Tree, Mars Volta, etc. He's a bit dubious about 70s prog, though. He does like Pink Floyd, and some Yes. But he prefers the Trevor Rabin- 90125 era. |
Throw some Mastermind at him. Angels Of The Apocalypse
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