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Raff
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Posted: December 31 2009 at 06:01 |
I believe their main buying public is not so much British as European. I started buying Classic Rock when I lived in Finland, and after I moved back to Italy I had no problems whatsoever in finding it in Rome. Classic Rock is also available just about everywhere here in the States, and the Prog magazine gets here every time, even if at least a month later than in Europe.
Anyway, I believe their attitude is a mixture of chauvinism (though it might be too strong a word) and familiarity, since for them it's easier to check out a British band than an American one (especially when talking of up-and-coming acts). That said, I have nothing against British bands - they just don't appeal to my tastes, and find them a bit one-sided in most cases. Not to sound chauvinistic myself, but Italy nowadays has a number of bands that experiment with just about every subgenre of prog, and are definitely more interesting than the slew of female-fronted, melodic prog bands generally supported by Classic Rock's Prog magazine.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: December 31 2009 at 04:22 |
Windhawk wrote:
Hehe - and their main buying public is a British one as well. Makes sense to cater more for the home market than the subsidiary markets. If and when they start selling more copies abroad than at home, that might just change a bit I'd wager :-) |
What makes you so sure of this??? Knowing that the prog-loving fraction of the public is infinitesimally small in the UK....
I think Raff makes a good point....
No this pure UK chauvinism dates from the NME/MM/Sounds days, and outside some US acts, generally the British press is downset at preferring their own kind
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Windhawk
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Posted: December 30 2009 at 14:19 |
Hehe - and their main buying public is a British one as well. Makes sense to cater more for the home market than the subsidiary markets. If and when they start selling more copies abroad than at home, that might just change a bit I'd wager :-)
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lazland
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Posted: December 30 2009 at 13:45 |
Raff wrote:
I know some people in the US have already been able to find the mag, though it hasn't showed up in this area yet. Anyway, I have all previous issues, and believe the magazine has steadily improved with time - even if I also believe there is a bit too much emphasis on contemporary British acts, which in my opinion are not particularly interesting.
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Raff, I think, to be fair to them, that they are trying to demonstrate that there is still a vibrant prog scene out there and that the genre didn't just die when Rotten et al started to spit in 1976/77.
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Raff
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 17:32 |
I know some people in the US have already been able to find the mag, though it hasn't showed up in this area yet. Anyway, I have all previous issues, and believe the magazine has steadily improved with time - even if I also believe there is a bit too much emphasis on contemporary British acts, which in my opinion are not particularly interesting.
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toroddfuglesteg
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 17:09 |
progkidjoel wrote:
I have the first and the most recent.
The first is my favourite because of the Marillion article, which was fantastic, but the Genesis article in the latest was great as well. I'm really sad I missed the other two, just seemed to slip my mind though. I hope I can find the other two issues somewhere, although I'm doubtful. |
I think they can be bought directly from the publisher. Try http://www.myfavouritemagazines.co.uk/store/displayitem.asp?sid=565&id=31795 although # 2 is sold out. Try Ebay for that one.
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progkidjoel
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 16:53 |
I have the first and the most recent.
The first is my favourite because of the Marillion article, which was fantastic, but the Genesis article in the latest was great as well. I'm really sad I missed the other two, just seemed to slip my mind though. I hope I can find the other two issues somewhere, although I'm doubtful.
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toroddfuglesteg
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 14:32 |
In their Facebook group, the staff at Classic Rock Present Prog claims that # 5 sold far more than anticipated. I have switched my subscription over from Classic Rock to them because I like the daughter far better than the mother, let me put it that way.
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FusionKing
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Posted: December 29 2009 at 10:19 |
Great special issue, loads of interviews. It kept me pretty busy for quite some time as it was an insightful read. Loved the interview with Neil Peart. Plus, the free disc led me on to some real gems; Blood Ceremony and Diagonal.
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crimhead
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Posted: November 08 2009 at 13:44 |
Picked up the last issue. Liked the story about KC Red album and the weird side of Prog.
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toroddfuglesteg
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 12:54 |
The new issue out on 25. November is a Prog-Folk issue. Jethro Tull is dominating the frontpage. Renaissance, Fairport Convention and Comus is featured too on the frontpage. I feel an urge to do some 'Tull and 'Convention reviews now..... Classic Rock Present Prog is now on Facebook.
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 17:05 |
Wilcey wrote:
Wow, it's good to hear it's getting into newsagents down under! (and with the CD too, sometimes the extra bits and pieces don't get included with the exported mags.
The next issue in the UK is due Nov 25th.
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Cheers
Yeah I was [pleasantly surprised to see the UK issue here in Australia.
The CDs are in the folder so no chance of being flogged by nasty little hoodies.
there were no ads for the next mag in issue 3 - so I wonder what they are going to focus on.... a mystery.
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Wilcey
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 15:10 |
Wow, it's good to hear it's getting into newsagents down under! (and with the CD too, sometimes the extra bits and pieces don't get included with the exported mags. The next issue in the UK is due Nov 25th. Wx
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: November 02 2009 at 18:36 |
Tha newsagent keeps me acopy every time it comes out and this time the mag has excelled beyond expectations with a huge article of Rush, Italian prog such as PFM, Tarja features and a wonderful disk featuring:
Pendragon - Indigo Konchordat - Motion Breathing Space - Clear The Wishing Tree - Hollow Hills Darwin's Radio - Breathe It In Knifeworld - The Wretched Fathoms Porcupine Tree - Time Flies (Edit) The Resonance Association - The Moment Has Passed
All very good tracks especially Pendragon and PTree
Thoroughly recommend this awesome mag. Pricey but its quarterly so you have heaps of time in between issues to save. Theres a great section on non prog albums and it features The Elder by Kiss which I have always hailed as prog myself, and its nice some would agree. The articles on The Butterfly Effect, Australian prog - YES! - altho not deemed prog here at PA (!). I knew they were prog from the moment I heard them.
Great section too on Jeff Waynes War of the Worlds. one of the best!
The metal section is not overwhelming but its great the mag concentrates on all areas of prog, not just one section.
Looking fwd to the next one soon!
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lazland
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Posted: August 12 2009 at 13:33 |
toroddfuglesteg wrote:
This has been the norm for the last 20 years, Jim. Several record labels made a good profit of doing this years ago. That was before it was normal to include a free CD with music magazines. It is called business and it is still a business as long as anyone agrees to pay. I remember I paid 1500 DMs (that's Euros today) for one track on a CD our German distributor gave away and even sold to their customers. That was back in 1995.
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I wasn't aware that this was standard industry practice, although nothing really surprises me these days. Having said that, it is a good way of bringing your music to the masses. CR, in a very early issue, included a Judie Tzuke track called Bully from the Secret Agent album. I had not heard her for years, and was blown away by this incredible piece of music. I went on her website immediately and ordered the album, and have brought most of her work subsequently. So she definitely had one extra customer that would never had purchased otherwise.
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toroddfuglesteg
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Posted: August 12 2009 at 12:19 |
This has been the norm for the last 20 years, Jim. Several record labels made a good profit of doing this years ago. That was before it was normal to include a free CD with music magazines. It is called business and it is still a business as long as anyone agrees to pay. I remember I paid 1500 DMs (that's Euros today) for one track on a CD our German distributor gave away and even sold to their customers. That was back in 1995.
Edited by toroddfuglesteg - August 12 2009 at 12:22
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Jim Garten
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Posted: August 12 2009 at 11:06 |
Jim Garten wrote:
As far as the CD is concerned, it's the usual policy for Classic Rock to give away (however you define the word 'free') CDs with a couple of known artists & a slew of unknowns to give the new bands exposure. |
Correction - I now have it on good authority that bands have to pay to get their tracks on free CDs given away with music mags... Personally I think this is outrageous, but hey - just call me naive.
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toroddfuglesteg
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Posted: August 12 2009 at 08:30 |
Thanx. The Italian scene report and the feature on my alltime favorite band (Rush !!) means I will dress up as a fox and play my bagpipe later today at the local railway station. The collected money should get me a copy of this issue. I got the Classic Rock magazine from my postman earlier today, btw.
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Posted: August 12 2009 at 06:13 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Got the third issue yesterday too - only had a brief glance though thus far, but in addition to all the above, there's a small article on our very own Tinyfish (incidentally, even the sister magazine Classic Rock is pipping Tinyfish for big things ) |
Cool, I really need to get this but I've not seen it anywhere. Where did you get yours from Jim?
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Jim Garten
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Posted: August 11 2009 at 11:12 |
toroddfuglesteg wrote:
Prog Metal........... I think I will give that a miss due to some tax bills which requires my full attention.
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Don't let that put you off - there's only really a couple of articles on Prog Metal (and the one on Opeth is very much worth reading); the main article is one on Rush (who they consider to be the godfathers of PM)
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