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Floydman 
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Posted: December 22 2009 at 15:16 |
While the Beatles deserved to be Proto-Prog. I remember reading a jazz musician describing the Beatles as Pop Fusion. I don't even know if it's a proper sub-genre.
Pop Fusion- fusing pop melodicism, and harmony with elements of all types of music. The use of interesting choices in rock/pop music instrumentation (piccolo trumpet, sitar, French horn, string ensembles etc). They use of the recording studio to experiment with extensive editing techniques like running a track backwards and recording on top of that. The use of odd meters with song structures common in pop like verse/verse/bridge or the use of multi-parted songs with a strong sense of melody and harmony. Albums would be Rubber Soul, Revolver through Abbey Road. The Beach Boys Pet Sounds.
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Rivertree
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Posted: December 22 2009 at 15:29 |
maybe Pop Fusion is a proper subgenre - but not for progressive rock I would say  anyhow, never heard of such a label ... ... and this section is for suggesting bands and artists by the way
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Floydman
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Posted: December 22 2009 at 15:40 |
 Rivertree wrote:
maybe Pop Fusion is a proper subgenre - but not for progressive rock I would say
anyhow, never heard of such a label ...
... and this section is for suggesting bands and artists by the way
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Sorry about that.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: December 25 2009 at 21:18 |
No! This isn't a website about pop music, why would it make sense to catalogue things from that perspective? If pop is touching other, better forms of music, that's of no concern to us because pop is not prog. When pop does touch prog, there are places already here for that.
I don't believe that pop fusion is a real term.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Epignosis
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Posted: December 25 2009 at 21:21 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
No! This isn't a website about pop music, why would it make sense to catalogue things from that perspective? If pop is touching other, better forms of music, that's of no concern to us because pop is not prog. When pop does touch prog, there are places already here for that.
I don't believe that pop fusion is a real term. |
Henry is our resident Grinch, but he's absolutely right.
We have Crossover. That is, for the most part, progressive pop.
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A Person
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Posted: December 25 2009 at 21:22 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
No! This isn't a website about pop music, why would it make sense to catalogue things from that perspective? If pop is touching other, better forms of music, that's of no concern to us because pop is not prog. When pop does touch prog, there are places already here for that.
I don't believe that pop fusion is a real term. |
I agree. If a band makes prog with pop influences and is prog enough to be in PA, there is probably a genre here already that fits them better than pop fusion.
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clarke2001
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Posted: December 26 2009 at 04:45 |
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At the moment I thought pop fusion refers to smooth jazz of the 80's. Luckily, it's not...
I'm not sure what are you exactly referring at . Would Mamas & Papas with their vocal harmonies, occasional flutes and french horns fit the bill? If that's so, well, dream pop and chamber pop are often intersecting with progressive rock, and they're scattered around subgenres - in some form that evolved from the original genre/movement.
First and foremost, you mentioned half of the Beatles' albums and Pet Sounds...that's not even remotely enough to make for a separated subgenre.
Second, the genre needs to be well-established...or at least defined well enough so a considerable number of artists could pop into the basket.
Third, it needs to be 100% progressive rock, no matter how blurred the borders might be...
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Dean
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Posted: December 26 2009 at 08:53 |
clarke2001 wrote:
Third, it needs to be 100% progressive rock, no matter how blurred the borders might be...
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 Exactly
The prime reason for any band being listed here is their association with Progressive Rock and that is reflected in our categories and subgenres - whatever associations and connections that can be made to other bands and musical styles is secondary for our purposes. The only times we really need to create new subgenres and categories is when something emerges from within the Progressive Rock pantheon that defies existing classification, such as Math Rock.
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