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jampa17
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 12:35 |
JJLehto wrote:
EH. I was about to go on about how I do like the idea of a salary cap, but until then we have this system...most other teams would do the same....yadda yada
I don't really care. I'm just going to say this: Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Mo veteran yankees (Andy had that brief stint with Texas but fine) Matsui the MVP....Yankee his entire career. Cano, Cabrera, Gardner, Coke, and Hughes all brought up through the Yankees farm system. Aceves was NO big name player. Marte and Nady were acquired with minor league players, Harriston and Hinske were no big name players, acquired by the Yanks for very little. Swisher was traded for a utility man.
I've made the point. The Yanks core has been intact for years, many of their players have been developed or acquired with out the BUY BUY BUY method. Sure there's A-Rod, Damon, and for 09 CC, AJ and Mark. But lets not say its ALL the team....we all love money. But a player still has the choice.
CC LOVED cleveland and was honestly upset about leaving. (Took out a full page ad in the paper thanking the city and fans). Why do it then? Because who could turn down $130 million? I could! I think he was making enough already..... And besides player greed and the need for more money, anything think good players would still go the Yanks for the historical factors? And players who enjoy the history of the game are ones you want. Done
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Totally agreed... It would be fine to they stop spending that cuantity of money... I feel is too much when one single human being earns more than an entire nation... but we live on an unfair planet... for me is sad... but I'm sure that if the red soxs had the same amount of money the just make the same thing and those who are claiming right now would be glad.. right...???
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 12:40 |
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I hate to say it because I am all for free market, but I would really like to see a salary cap in baseball. They did it in Hockey, and now the Red Wings, who used to be the Yankees of the NHL, have been brought back to the pack. They can no longer go out and buy the best players available like they used to before the cap. |
I'd like to point out that they have a salary cap in basketball and only 2-3 teams have a shot at the title each year, and they are the same 2-3 teams every year |
The kicker here is that for superstar NBA players their salaries are just a drop in the bucket compared to the money that they make in endorsements. Michael Jordan made over $100 million a year in endorsements, while his salary was whatever the league maximum was (probably more in the $5 to $10 million dollar range). The big endorsement dollars are going to come from the big cities New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles. LeBron is doing fine in Cleveland, but all the rumors are that he will leave Cleveland after this year to go to New York. Why? Because his endorsement income would probably triple. That is why I find it so odd that the Knicks have been so bad for so many years. They were decent during the Patrick Ewing years, but still never won the title (if my memory is correct). The Pistons had a shot at the title for about 5 or 6 straight years, but those days are now over. From the East it will probably be Cleveland, Boston, or Orlando, and from the West, it will probably be the Lakers again, but maybe San Antonio or Denver.
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 12:46 |
I'm not a Yankees fan but they are far from the only team that has bought a series. 1997 Florida Marlins come to mind.
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 12:54 |
JJLehto wrote:
EH. I was about to go on about how I do like the idea of a salary cap, but until then we have this system...most other teams would do the same....yadda yada
I don't really care. I'm just going to say this: Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Mo veteran yankees (Andy had that brief stint with Texas but fine) Matsui the MVP....Yankee his entire career. Cano, Cabrera, Gardner, Coke, and Hughes all brought up through the Yankees farm system. Aceves was NO big name player. Marte and Nady were acquired with minor league players, Harriston and Hinske were no big name players, acquired by the Yanks for very little. Swisher was traded for a utility man.
I've made the point. The Yanks core has been intact for years, many of their players have been developed or acquired with out the BUY BUY BUY method. Sure there's A-Rod, Damon, and for 09 CC, AJ and Mark. But lets not say its ALL the team....we all love money. But a player still has the choice.
CC LOVED cleveland and was honestly upset about leaving. (Took out a full page ad in the paper thanking the city and fans). Why do it then? Because who could turn down $130 million? I could! I think he was making enough already..... And besides player greed and the need for more money, anything think good players would still go the Yanks for the historical factors? And players who enjoy the history of the game are ones you want. Done
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There are a lot more home grown players on the Yankees than they have had in previous years, but there is still the money factor involved in their ability to retain them. Yes, Matsui has always been a Yankee, but he was a star in Japan and the Yankees were able to spend the most money to bring him to New York, so he belongs in the A-Rod, Damon, Texiera, CC, AJ, Mark category.
As far as Jeter, Pettite, Posada, Rivera all being Yankees for their entire careers, that is fine, but again it is the money that has allowed the Yankees to keep these players for their entire careers. Probably more than half of the teams in the league can only afford to retain 1 or 2 of those type of players and in so doing, they are not able to go out and sign CC, Mark, AJ, Matsui, and renew A-Rod's contract.
I would say that there are probably only 4 or 5 teams in the league that can possibly match the Yankees dollar for dollar in spending, but I think most of them are stretched to the max, where the Yankees could probably comfortably spend another $100 million in salaries and still have room to spare. Basically every year though, when a big name free agent is available you can pretty much bet that he is going to end up as a Yankee, a Met, a Red Sox, a Dodger, or an Angel. The next tier of teams is probably the White Sox, the Tigers, the Cardinals, the Phillies, maybe the Mariners. And the rest of the teams are basically around to develop players and then when they reach their prime let them leave and sign big contracts with the aforementioned teams. It will be interesting to see if anything changes with the Cubs under new ownership, because they really should be able to go toe to toe with the Yankees every year.
Teams like the Royals, the Rays, the Marlins, the A's, and the Pirates will probably forever be AAAA minor league teams until a better system is in place. And as far as the Twins go, I have no freakin' idea how they are competitive every year. Ron Gardenhire must be the best manager in the history of the game. But it will be interesting to see how far downhill they go next year without the bounces of the astroturf and the lost flyballs in the dome roof once they move outdoors.
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 14:19 |
rushfan4 wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
EH. I was about to go on about how I do like the idea of a salary cap, but until then we have this system...most other teams would do the same....yadda yada
I don't really care. I'm just going to say this: Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Mo veteran yankees (Andy had that brief stint with Texas but fine) Matsui the MVP....Yankee his entire career. Cano, Cabrera, Gardner, Coke, and Hughes all brought up through the Yankees farm system. Aceves was NO big name player. Marte and Nady were acquired with minor league players, Harriston and Hinske were no big name players, acquired by the Yanks for very little. Swisher was traded for a utility man.
I've made the point. The Yanks core has been intact for years, many of their players have been developed or acquired with out the BUY BUY BUY method. Sure there's A-Rod, Damon, and for 09 CC, AJ and Mark. But lets not say its ALL the team....we all love money. But a player still has the choice.
CC LOVED cleveland and was honestly upset about leaving. (Took out a full page ad in the paper thanking the city and fans). Why do it then? Because who could turn down $130 million? I could! I think he was making enough already..... And besides player greed and the need for more money, anything think good players would still go the Yanks for the historical factors? And players who enjoy the history of the game are ones you want. Done
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There are a lot more home grown players on the Yankees than they have had in previous years, but there is still the money factor involved in their ability to retain them. Yes, Matsui has always been a Yankee, but he was a star in Japan and the Yankees were able to spend the most money to bring him to New York, so he belongs in the A-Rod, Damon, Texiera, CC, AJ, Mark category.
As far as Jeter, Pettite, Posada, Rivera all being Yankees for their entire careers, that is fine, but again it is the money that has allowed the Yankees to keep these players for their entire careers. Probably more than half of the teams in the league can only afford to retain 1 or 2 of those type of players and in so doing, they are not able to go out and sign CC, Mark, AJ, Matsui, and renew A-Rod's contract.
I would say that there are probably only 4 or 5 teams in the league that can possibly match the Yankees dollar for dollar in spending, but I think most of them are stretched to the max, where the Yankees could probably comfortably spend another $100 million in salaries and still have room to spare. Basically every year though, when a big name free agent is available you can pretty much bet that he is going to end up as a Yankee, a Met, a Red Sox, a Dodger, or an Angel. The next tier of teams is probably the White Sox, the Tigers, the Cardinals, the Phillies, maybe the Mariners. And the rest of the teams are basically around to develop players and then when they reach their prime let them leave and sign big contracts with the aforementioned teams. It will be interesting to see if anything changes with the Cubs under new ownership, because they really should be able to go toe to toe with the Yankees every year.
Teams like the Royals, the Rays, the Marlins, the A's, and the Pirates will probably forever be AAAA minor league teams until a better system is in place. And as far as the Twins go, I have no freakin' idea how they are competitive every year. Ron Gardenhire must be the best manager in the history of the game. But it will be interesting to see how far downhill they go next year without the bounces of the astroturf and the lost flyballs in the dome roof once they move outdoors. |
Hey dude... your'e surely an addicted to sports, don't miss to put it on the vices Thread... jejeje... the Twins rocks man..!!! that's all I have to say... besides that I'm agree with you... The system is a mess right now...
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 14:24 |
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Posted: November 08 2009 at 13:40 |
jampa17 wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
EH. I was about to go on about how I do like the idea of a salary cap, but until then we have this system...most other teams would do the same....yadda yada
I don't really care. I'm just going to say this: Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Mo veteran yankees (Andy had that brief stint with Texas but fine) Matsui the MVP....Yankee his entire career. Cano, Cabrera, Gardner, Coke, and Hughes all brought up through the Yankees farm system. Aceves was NO big name player. Marte and Nady were acquired with minor league players, Harriston and Hinske were no big name players, acquired by the Yanks for very little. Swisher was traded for a utility man.
I've made the point. The Yanks core has been intact for years, many of their players have been developed or acquired with out the BUY BUY BUY method. Sure there's A-Rod, Damon, and for 09 CC, AJ and Mark. But lets not say its ALL the team....we all love money. But a player still has the choice.
CC LOVED cleveland and was honestly upset about leaving. (Took out a full page ad in the paper thanking the city and fans). Why do it then? Because who could turn down $130 million? I could! I think he was making enough already..... And besides player greed and the need for more money, anything think good players would still go the Yanks for the historical factors? And players who enjoy the history of the game are ones you want. Done
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There are a lot more home grown players on the Yankees than they have had in previous years, but there is still the money factor involved in their ability to retain them. Yes, Matsui has always been a Yankee, but he was a star in Japan and the Yankees were able to spend the most money to bring him to New York, so he belongs in the A-Rod, Damon, Texiera, CC, AJ, Mark category.
As far as Jeter, Pettite, Posada, Rivera all being Yankees for their entire careers, that is fine, but again it is the money that has allowed the Yankees to keep these players for their entire careers. Probably more than half of the teams in the league can only afford to retain 1 or 2 of those type of players and in so doing, they are not able to go out and sign CC, Mark, AJ, Matsui, and renew A-Rod's contract.
I would say that there are probably only 4 or 5 teams in the league that can possibly match the Yankees dollar for dollar in spending, but I think most of them are stretched to the max, where the Yankees could probably comfortably spend another $100 million in salaries and still have room to spare. Basically every year though, when a big name free agent is available you can pretty much bet that he is going to end up as a Yankee, a Met, a Red Sox, a Dodger, or an Angel. The next tier of teams is probably the White Sox, the Tigers, the Cardinals, the Phillies, maybe the Mariners. And the rest of the teams are basically around to develop players and then when they reach their prime let them leave and sign big contracts with the aforementioned teams. It will be interesting to see if anything changes with the Cubs under new ownership, because they really should be able to go toe to toe with the Yankees every year.
Teams like the Royals, the Rays, the Marlins, the A's, and the Pirates will probably forever be AAAA minor league teams until a better system is in place. And as far as the Twins go, I have no freakin' idea how they are competitive every year. Ron Gardenhire must be the best manager in the history of the game. But it will be interesting to see how far downhill they go next year without the bounces of the astroturf and the lost flyballs in the dome roof once they move outdoors. |
Hey dude... your'e surely an addicted to sports, don't miss to put it on the vices Thread... jejeje... the Twins rocks man..!!! that's all I have to say... besides that I'm agree with you... The system is a mess right now... |
The funny thing is that the Royals,Marlins,A's and Pirates all had their day. It is possible for a team with a small payroll to make it to the WS,case in point Tampa Bay last year. The window to do so is limited and small. Ballplayers want money like we all do and they will go free agent if they are smart and good enough to command the dollars. This is where the smaller payroll teams can't compete. No matter what anyone says KC,Seattle,Pittsburgh,Oakland cannot compete with the Yankees bankroll when it comes to TV revenue. All the teams get money from MLB for the TV package but the Yanks have their own separate TV deal/TV network.
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Posted: December 02 2009 at 14:05 |
Vin Scully is joining the Dodgers for his 61st season of broadcasting them.
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Posted: December 08 2009 at 16:27 |
The Yankees recalled Curtis Granderson from their minor league system and sent down some hacks to their minor league affiliates the Detroit Tigers and Arizona Diamondbacks.
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Posted: December 09 2009 at 13:31 |
rushfan4 wrote:
The Yankees recalled Curtis Granderson from their minor league system and sent down some hacks to their minor league affiliates the Detroit Tigers and Arizona Diamondbacks. |
The Tigers got a good pitcher in Max Scherzer.(sp?)
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Posted: December 09 2009 at 13:34 |
crimhead wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
The Yankees recalled Curtis Granderson from their minor league system and sent down some hacks to their minor league affiliates the Detroit Tigers and Arizona Diamondbacks. |
The Tigers got a good pitcher in Max Scherzer.(sp?)
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It sounds like he might have a good upside. The strikeouts per innings pitched was nice, but the ERA was on the high side. Rumor is that he might get converted to a closer, similar to Joel Zumaya. Unfortunately, the jury is still out on Zumaya. Sure the guy can throw the ball 103 miles an hour, but that just means that it reaches the seats a couple of seconds quicker after it hits the batter's bat.
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Posted: December 10 2009 at 16:15 |
Surprise, surprise, the Cubbies couldn't get any takers for Milton Bradley. It seems he is on their to dump list. They are talking with Mike Cameron.
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Posted: December 10 2009 at 16:28 |
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Surprise, surprise, the Cubbies couldn't get any takers for Milton Bradley. It seems he is on their to dump list. They are talking with Mike Cameron. |
I was reading rumors yesterday that the Tigers might be willing to trade Carlos Guillen to the Cubs for Milton Bradley.
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Posted: December 11 2009 at 15:45 |
rushfan4 wrote:
crimhead wrote:
Surprise, surprise, the Cubbies couldn't get any takers for Milton Bradley. It seems he is on their to dump list. They are talking with Mike Cameron. |
I was reading rumors yesterday that the Tigers might be willing to trade Carlos Guillen to the Cubs for Milton Bradley. |
What's the GM for the Tigers smoking!?! Bradley has been a cancer everywhere he goes. Even if the Cubbies covered 90% of his salary why would you want him in your clubhouse or on your field? If they need a good cheap outfield talk to the Nats. Nyjer Morgan would be better than Bradley. Younger and cheaper.
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 14:01 |
So the Phils are getting Halladay for Lee. Good move?
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 14:09 |
Halladay has been a consistent Cy Young award pitcher for longer than Cliff Lee, so from that standpoint it is a good trade, and apparently he signed for less money then what Cliff Lee was asking for. But Cliff Lee is a damn fine pitcher.
The latest Tiger rumor is that Dave Dumbrowski doesn't want the Red Sox to feel slighted by our attempt to improve the Yankees by giving them Curtis Granderson, so apparently he wants to give Miguel Cabrera to the Red Sox.
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 16:04 |
I don't like the deal. I think we gave up far too much. We made ourselves marginally better this year and potentially less so down the road. I would rather have kept Lee this year and put all the chips on the table for another WS.
The pitcher we're getting from the Mariners is supposed to be good, but from what I understand not at the level of Drabek, and the other prospect isn't named and is then most likely much less significant.
Plus I just bought a Lee jersey with all the talks of his contract being extended, and him also being one of my favorite players attitude wise in the game right now.
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Posted: December 15 2009 at 16:05 |
crimhead wrote:
So the Phils are getting Halladay for Lee. Good move?
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Halladay is the best pitcher the Jays ever had, including those who helped them win the World Series. I'd even say he is easily a top 5 Blue Jay all-time. Mr. Consistent. Gives the bullpen the night off. I'll miss him greatly, even though we supposedly got some good prospects. I'll remain a supporter of the Jays, but the phillies are my new #2 team (didn't have an old #2  ). I want to see Roy win the World Series.
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Posted: December 16 2009 at 14:04 |
The BoSox pick up Lackey and Cameron. The ChiSox got Pierre. The Angels got Matsui, rumor has it Guerrero is on his way out of Anaheim.
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Posted: December 16 2009 at 16:57 |
It's official now Lee's gone for much less than his value (3 mediocre prospects, especially when we dumped 2 of our top 3 for Halladay) mostly because our GM won't budge on his $140 Mil payroll.
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