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Padraic 
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 Posted: November 30 2009 at 11:29 |
 Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^ Well, how do you interact with the Divine? |
We used to go bowling every Thursday, but then he got a girlfriend and we don't see each other as much.
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Dean
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 11:24 |
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Post-theist.
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What?
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 11:07 |
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^ Well, how do you interact with the Divine? If it doesn't manifest itself in anything supernatural, then I see little difference between you and a true atheist. It's not like atheists cannot appreciate beauty in the world ... or "grandeur" as Dawkins cited Darwin.
Edited by Mr ProgFreak - November 30 2009 at 11:07
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Padraic
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 11:04 |
Negoba wrote:
Panentheism means that I believe in a simultaneously immanent and transcendent Divinity. Pantheism is the belief that God is the sum of all the Universe. Panentheism beleives that is true but that God also is greater than the sum of this material universe.
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Cool, I finally found a name for what I believe to be true.  Although I still have difficulty relinquishing my Catholic/Christian roots. I find myself not drawn to the whole church/organization/institution but I still look to Christ's teachings on how to try and live my life.
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Negoba
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 11:00 |
Panentheism means that I believe in a simultaneously immanent and transcendent Divinity. Pantheism is the belief that God is the sum of all the Universe. Panentheism beleives that is true but that God also is greater than the sum of this material universe.
My beliefs currently are most in line with Vedanta / Yoga lines of thought but I personally think most paths all point to the same light. Many atheists discover profound truths that to me still point to the one (immense) truth.
One of the sticking points is when you ask about the personality and powers of what you're calling God. Already you're anthropomorphising God in a way that seems a little simple to me. I do not believe in God as a separate, limited but more powerful being (a la Zeus) with whom I can converse like I converse to other people. But I can attune my own awareness to the existence of the Divine that's always is there.
But that's pretty far from what most atheists I know believe in.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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The Pessimist
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 10:38 |
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Agnostic. Basically means I have absolutely no idea.
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
Arnold Schoenberg
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 10:36 |
Negoba wrote:
Panentheist for me. |
So - would that rather be Theism or Atheism? It obviously depends on how you think that God manifests in the world around us. If you think that God *is* the world around us then IMO that would strongly point towards Atheism, for all practical intents and purposes.
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Ricochet
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 10:16 |
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Agnostic
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 09:51 |
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I've heard that in some countries Atheists aren't exactly well received ... some people even put them on the same level as child molesters, while others assume some other traits that supposedly go along with Atheism, including communism or nihilism/anarchism. Well, I'm an Atheist but also a law-abiding and generally friendly/helpful person. :-)
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Marty McFly
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 09:43 |
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With no other choice left, I declare that I'm atheist. Strong one I think. Like anybody give a (dirty word) about it.
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu  Even my
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 09:27 |
I, uhm, don't really know. 
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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npjnpj
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 08:59 |
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Such as WMDs?
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 08:58 |
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I think the wisest position is to just admit that you really don't know.
There are known knowns. These
are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to
say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also
unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.
Donald Rumsfeld
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npjnpj
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 08:55 |
Theist.
Although I don't see the difference between theist and atheist, it's both a matter of belief.
Edited by npjnpj - November 30 2009 at 08:56
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The Sleepwalker
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 08:49 |
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Atheist.
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Negoba
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 08:35 |
Panentheist for me.
Agnostics know that they don't know.
Too many Atheists think they know something they can't.
Deism seems like an intellectual curiosity as much as anything.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 07:58 |
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Theist
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JayDee
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 07:19 |
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Theist.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 07:18 |
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^ I think that in some communities dominated by theists there is a better acceptance of agnostics than of atheists. But of course you're right, for all practical purposes there's not much difference ... the big difference is between theists and non-theists.
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stonebeard
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Posted: November 30 2009 at 07:13 |
In practical life, there's very little difference between atheist, agnostic, and deist. It revolved around a technicality that has little to do with anyone's practical life.
I chose atheist.
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