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Mr ProgFreak ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
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If you don't know what Creationism is (or the young/old earth types), have a look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism For the sake of this poll, "evolution" refers to the process that resulted in the existence of every living thing on this planet, including humans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution So ... what do you believe in? No - that's a poor choice of words, since evolution is supported by fact and evidence (which of course creationist ignore or at least not accept as valid) so rather than "believe" we should say "accept as fact", and that's also how I put it in the poll. BTW: Being a scientist and atheist/agnostic, I'm completely sure that all live evolved from a common ancestor by natural selection, without any doubt in my mind. The only truly unsolved question is how it all got started, but I don't think it's necessary to answer it in order to understand or accept the process itself. Edited by Mr ProgFreak - December 01 2009 at 08:54 |
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Diaby ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 15 2007 Location: Hungary Status: Offline Points: 774 |
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What's the difference between being a young earth or not young earth creationist? #update: Thanks for the link! Edited by Diaby - November 28 2009 at 09:25 |
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Mr ProgFreak ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
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^ look it up in detail on the wikipedia page ... in a nutshell a young earth creationist takes the bible literally, in that our world is about 10,000 years old and that it was created in 6 days, whereas an old earth creationist accepts the scientific theories about the creation of the universe (big bang etc) and our planet (such as it being about 4,600,000,000 years old), but may not accept the theory of evolution.
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Diaby ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 15 2007 Location: Hungary Status: Offline Points: 774 |
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An Old Earth Creationist is a somewhat ambivalent person
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clarke2001 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 14 2006 Location: Croatia Status: Offline Points: 4160 |
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None.
The entire Earth was inhabited by alien seeds - and these aliens were all looking like Erich von Daniken. However, the uninhabited Earth itself was created by divinity - and it's standing on the back of the giant turtle. The Earth is round, not flat; it won't roll off the turtle because it's nested in Steven Hawking's wheel chair. With brakes. |
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Mr ProgFreak ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
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You could also ask "how can you believe the earth is not flat but don't accept the evolution". I guess the reason is that accepting evolution and natural selection negates every concept of religion, including the afterlife. People might find it easier to accept that we live on a planet that revolves around the sun and is much older than people used to think, than to accept that we are merely animals who evolved bi-pedal walk and a brain capable of sentience and language. |
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A Person ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
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Being a catholic I believe in creationism, but I don't take the story of creation literally. Besides, how could something like evolution be explained back then? It's like going back in time and trying to get people to use antibiotics.
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Diaby ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 15 2007 Location: Hungary Status: Offline Points: 774 |
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Don't tell it me, I accept evolution although being a Christian. |
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32552 |
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A Person ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
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That was disturbing in a good way. ![]() |
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Vompatti ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: October 22 2005 Location: elsewhere Status: Offline Points: 67449 |
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This.
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Mr ProgFreak ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
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The thing is that creation and evolution are mutually exclusive ... one rules out the other. So ... how would you vote? |
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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Although I do believe in evolution as fact, I have also been on a stag night in the Highlands of Scotland which made the Cro-Magnon appear quite urbane and possibly effete.
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A Person ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
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Why are they exclusive? |
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Mr ProgFreak ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
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^ There's a good book on the subject:
http://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Show-Earth-Evidence-Evolution/dp/1416594787/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1259430683&sr=8-1 "Creation" as described in the bible is simply hugely contradictive with the process of evolution, which is totally driven by natural selection and not at all compatible with the idea of a "creator" or "architect" guiding the process. |
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Hemispheres ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 22 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 533 |
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Your all a bunch of communist liberals, with all your socialism!!!!!! Not too mention you are destroying the world.
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Vibrationbaby ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
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I'm with George Carlin & Richard Dawkins on this. Invisible man in the sky ?
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The story where God stops the sun in the sky finally pushed me all the way over to the evolution camp. |
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32552 |
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Really? It's usually the reason why the "sun stopped" that people take issue with. ![]() |
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