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Poll Question: Who would win in a fight?
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    Posted: October 28 2009 at 21:42
I just saw a huge debate on this on someone's facebook profile, and I thought I would ask PA for some answers.

If you vote, explanations of why you picked your choice would be appreciated. Big smile

I for one love Star Wars to death, but I honestly think Jedi would have no chance in this fight. The wizards/mages can teleport at will (Apparition), polymorph any object (Transfiguration), and have power words 'kill' and 'stun' (Avada Kedavra and Crucio). As good as the Jedi are at jumping around, wielding lightsabers, and piloting starcraft, they have no chance against an opponent that can kill them on sight.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2009 at 21:52
Does this include Dumbledore... 'cause erm... didn't he like... erm... die?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2009 at 21:53
It does not include Dumbledore.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2009 at 21:59
It doesn't matter if they have a kill spell, I'm pretty sure the Force lets them save vs. death with ease. In fact, I would bet that all of the Jedi's saving throws are extremely high. So Jedi win for having a weapon that can physically do something regardless of your target's stats.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2009 at 22:02
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

It doesn't matter if they have a kill spell, I'm pretty sure the Force lets them save vs. death with ease. In fact, I would bet that all of the Jedi's saving throws are extremely high. So Jedi win for having a weapon that can physically do something regardless of your target's stats.

Yeah, part of the debate was about the Jedi having higher Wisdom and Dex, among higher stats overall. Plus they do have X-wings, and I don't care if you can cast the best mage armor spell on brooms, they don't do anything against laser cannons and proton torpedoes.

You're making me re-evaluate my original opinion now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2009 at 22:13

And the Force itself is basically magic, which allows it to do most of the things you described (is KOTOR canon?), plus lightsabers. So the question is: if we're in a corridor, with the benefits of Force Speed, would a Harry Potter wizard be able to cast a debilitating spell in time that the Jedi does not save vs? With the exception of the upper wizards who could cast level 9 spells, I don't think so.

Although a bonus to Harry Potter is that they have guns, which are far more efficient that blasters. Those "lasers" don't move very fast, could a Jedi block a bullet? I really couldn't say.
 
Now, what about a Cleric vs a Jedi? Drawing on the power of the Universe is one thing, but clerics have an immortal deity on their side. The universe is cold and unfeeling.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2009 at 22:16
If it is a fight on foot, DA (lol like in the books amirite?) would win. If the jedi's could use their awesome ships 'n' stuff they would win.

I've always wondered why wizards don't carry guns. It would be a good surprise tactic, no wizard would think of  being shot by one, and a gun is certainly powerful enough to mortally injure, if not kill, a wizard.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2009 at 22:19
Guns are uncouth and can be traced. You can't trace magic.
 
Also, while you say that wizards would win, would you be willing to admit that they're totally unbalanced and need to be nerfed? I think every character in the series fails his saving throw when they get spelled, and that's just unrealistic. Dice have twenty sides!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2009 at 22:24
If it is just Harry & co fighting, they would have a hard time fighting jedis. If grown ups who know what they are doing are fighting, then I would pick them, due to the fact they can do nearly anything they want/need without anyone knowing what they are about to do.

I wonder how well a jedi/wizard could withstand a nuclear bomb.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2009 at 22:24
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

And the Force itself is basically magic, which allows it to do most of the things you described (is KOTOR canon?), plus lightsabers. So the question is: if we're in a corridor, with the benefits of Force Speed, would a Harry Potter wizard be able to cast a debilitating spell in time that the Jedi does not save vs? With the exception of the upper wizards who could cast level 9 spells, I don't think so.

Although a bonus to Harry Potter is that they have guns, which are far more efficient that blasters. Those "lasers" don't move very fast, could a Jedi block a bullet? I really couldn't say.
 
Now, what about a Cleric vs a Jedi? Drawing on the power of the Universe is one thing, but clerics have an immortal deity on their side. The universe is cold and unfeeling.

KOTOR is canon I believe.

To put it simply, the Jedi have their full arsenal and the wizards have their full arsenal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2009 at 22:28
Henry, there are sniper rifle blasters, so I guess the speed of the laser depends on the type of blaster.

I'd also think most of the Jedi would be able to block the bullets without even needing a lightsaber (Vader blocked Han's blaster shots with his hand for example) but some of the lower-level Jedi probably would not survive guns.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2009 at 22:29
So the wizards have the ability to use dragons/basilisks w/e they have at their disposal? A basilisk could take out tons of jedi before it's brought down, all it has to do is look at them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2009 at 22:32
But Jedi don't need to use their eyes. They could fight blind and use the Force to "see" for them. So a few Jedi could easily take down a basilisk.

And Jedi can jump high enough to engage flying dragons and some would surely be powerful enough to hold back a dragon's fire breath.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2009 at 22:32
I don't think basilisks count on the wizard side, they're really rare and I don't think you can just summon them like a D&D summon.
Originally posted by birdwithteeth11 birdwithteeth11 wrote:

(Vader blocked Han's blaster shots with his hand for example)
Woah, I don't remember that happening.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2009 at 22:35
Originally posted by birdwithteeth11 birdwithteeth11 wrote:

But Jedi don't need to use their eyes. They could fight blind and use the Force to "see" for them. So a few Jedi could easily take down a basilisk.

And Jedi can jump high enough to engage flying dragons and some would surely be powerful enough to hold back a dragon's fire breath.

True, but they wouldn't know not to look until they have already looked. They would be more of a distraction, while the Jedi fight them the wizards should be attacking the Jedi as well. Jedi have lots of cool tech. though, they would most likely be able to set up turrets of some sort.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2009 at 22:38
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

I don't think basilisks count on the wizard side, they're really rare and I don't think you can just summon them like a D&D summon.
Originally posted by birdwithteeth11 birdwithteeth11 wrote:

(Vader blocked Han's blaster shots with his hand for example)
Woah, I don't remember that happening.

It is on episode V: The Empire Strikes Back. After they find out Lando betrays them when he takes Han, Leia, C3PO and R2D2 to Vader, Han shoots at Vader, and he blocks the shots and sucks the blaster out of his hand.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2009 at 22:41
You're right, this is a geeky subject. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2009 at 22:53
The Jedi.


If you even have to ask....just.....Stern Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2009 at 22:54
Hm, I don't think any other Jedi block blaster bolts, but maybe I'm wrong.
 
And don't you think Jedi could figure out some way to get Stone to Flesh going? ;-)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2009 at 02:00
I'm not an expert on this, but I'd imagine that the Force is incompatible with the forces that wizards make use of. If it was a fair fight, it would take place in a universe whose nature is unfamiliar to both sides, and in that case the winners would be the ones that could figure out how to control the forces in that universe, and they would probably be the wizards. On the other hand, there's a chance that the Jedis might kill the wizards with lightsabers before they could cast a single spell.
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