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Passionist ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 14 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 1119 |
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I might be on the wrong tracks here, but to a certain degree I personally understood his point as such: There's always the tag at the end of the first post after the topic has been updated:
And if a certain post is updated/edited, it's in that exact post. But. A lot of people, me included, might never realise why such an action is performed. Perhaps and note like "Corrected spelling" or "edited due to use of inappropriate language" would be in its place at times. Then we'd surely know, that it's been edited, and we'd even importantly know why it's been edited. Now i noticed the topic had been edited, and learnt that there used to be a word "so" there. Of course bringing this up might raise objections, but it would also stop people like me from wondering if the thread used to be something completely else, or if the first post itself was full of cursewords etc. because as you see in my quote, the EDIT-message doesn't really differ wherther it's the topic or the post itself. Just you know, to take off the gestapo ways. We're not allowed to wear black trench coats, but we're never told why not. J/K of course, but this is how i understood his point, and I think it is a valid point to at least consider. -Tuomas-- |
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
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I'm aware I can do that, but I am miffed that someone went behind my back and just changed the title of my thread (if you read the original post, the title as it was was part of the little "joke"). I'm a member in good standing here- if an admin has a problem with my thread title (which I can't understand why), I would at least like to be notified. I concede this is small issue, but I find it rather disrespectful (particularly since I was not violating any rule). |
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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I can only say again that I agree with you, and I understand it was part of your joke. Maybe you (we?) should find out who actually did it, so the issue can be discussed man to man?
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
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Eh, I'll just try it your way. ![]() |
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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Which? They were both my way. ![]() EDIT: Ok...I know which. ![]() EDIT 2: Someone has changed it back again.
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Padraic ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
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This "issue" seems to be cropping up again....
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Easy Livin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
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In what way? Please quote specifics when highlighting an issue, generalisations do not allow investigation or explanation.
Thanks.
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66607 |
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Bob, this thread in particular is the current thread at issue. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=62336. The title of the thread was edited, presumably by an administrator, but without a message to the original poster, or leaving an "edited by xxx" message in the original post. |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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^ what was the original title?
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Padraic ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
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The Power and the Glory |
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66607 |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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ok |
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
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It's not that I mind the edits themselves in principal, but the way they are conducted, which is to say, secretly and seemingly without any good reason.
The latest thread was: The Power and the Glory later it got changed to The Power & the Glory (GG) I changed it back, and now it's The Power and the Glory (Gentle Giant) Another time I had a Phil Collins poll about his vocal duties with Genesis during the Gabriel-era, and that thread title must have changed like three or four times, again, with no notification or reason given. In another thread, I suggested this:
And as an example of how this issue can be resolved:
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Padraic ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
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First I wanted to get the tenor of your (collective) concern. You (collective) know you're doing it, I just wanted to see if anyone cared. |
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Easy Livin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
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Thread titles sometimes get changed to try to make it clearer for other members what they are about. Often, a news thread for example will simply show the band name. It looks much better on the home page if it is shown as a headline.
In the case of "The power and the glory", many members may not know that it is about an album by Gentle Giant. Adding "Gentle Giant" to the thread name simply helps them to judge whether or not they are interested in it. What is the problem with adding such info to a thread title? With all the polls now being created, surely it is best to help people find the ones they might want to view.
As an aside, the underlying tone of some posts in this thread is disappointing and demotivating. Personally, I don't mind constructive criticism but I find the tone here to sometimes be less than friendly.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Oi! Less of the "You (collective)"! ... It's not me. I only correct spelling errors in titles. |
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66607 |
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I don't believe that there is a problem with the change to the title so much, as the fact that the title was changed without a message to the original poster, or with the note that the post was edited by administrator x. If the post says that the post was edited by Easy Livin or Dean, the poster can at least respond to that administrator with their point of view for why they posted what they did. When the thread is "ghost edited", there is noone for the poster to respond to. I believe that at least in this instance the lack of communication from the editor is why some forum members are upset. |
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Padraic ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
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I'm not interested in who is doing it or has done it in the past. Merely that future edits be identified. Bob: the problem lies not with the content of the edit, but the anonymity of the action. If the correction of the thread title is done to be helpful, a simple identification of who is doing the edit and why is all that is being asked here, I think. And I'm sorry if you don't care for my tone, but I detected a certain amount of snarkiness in your initial reply, to be quite honest. Rob is not some n00b off the street - he's a respected collaborator on here; the least that could be done when editing his titles is to inform of it, though to be honest I don't see why his original title was really in need of correction, your explanation notwithstanding. |
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Easy Livin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
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In Epignosis case it seems he did object to the change, as he says he changed it back. It seems he did not want people to know from the title that the thread was about Gentle Giant.
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
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The original change did not say "Gentle Giant." It said "The Power & the Glory (GG)," which as far as I can tell, doesn't help new folks navigate any better either. I really am only asking to be notified of changes to thread titles or posts. Just a short note- could be a quick post in the thread really. I don't think the anonymity is necessary, and frankly, I think it's a tad sinister. |
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