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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2009 at 17:08
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

I've just removed "So" from Henry Plainview's opening post and it shows quite clearly that it has been edited.


So, I am confused.

I might be on the wrong tracks here, but to a certain degree I personally understood his point as such:

There's always the tag at the end of the first post after the topic has been updated:

Quote Edited by Tony R - 2009 11 June at 21:04

And if a certain post is updated/edited, it's in that exact post.

But. A lot of people, me included, might never realise why such an action is performed. Perhaps and note like "Corrected spelling" or "edited due to use of inappropriate language" would be in its place at times. Then we'd surely know, that it's been edited, and we'd even importantly know why it's been edited.

Now i noticed the topic had been edited, and learnt that there used to be a word "so" there. Of course bringing this up might raise objections, but it would also stop people like me from wondering if the thread used to be something completely else, or if the first post itself was full of cursewords etc. because as you see in my quote, the EDIT-message doesn't really differ wherther it's the topic or the post itself.

Just you know, to take off the gestapo ways. We're not allowed to wear black trench coats, but we're never told why not. J/K of course, but this is how i understood his point, and I think it is a valid point to at least consider.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2009 at 17:14
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

The (with Genesis) was added presumably?
Probably so that it will be seen to fit in to "Prog Polls" section.


Yes, but Phil Collins is the drummer for Genesis, a prog band in the database.

If I made a poll involving the vocals of Trevor Rabin in Yes (who is not in PA as a solo artist but is a guitarist and vocalist for Yes), would someone have to edit my title to "Trevor Rabin (with Yes)!"

Don't get me wrong. I agree with you. Besides the content of the poll is about Genesis songs, whatever the title.

Make a stand! Re-edit it!Wink


I'm aware I can do that, but I am miffed that someone went behind my back and just changed the title of my thread (if you read the original post, the title as it was was part of the little "joke").

I'm a member in good standing here- if an admin has a problem with my thread title (which I can't understand why), I would at least like to be notified.

I concede this is small issue, but I find it rather disrespectful (particularly since I was not violating any rule).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2009 at 17:18
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

The (with Genesis) was added presumably?
Probably so that it will be seen to fit in to "Prog Polls" section.


Yes, but Phil Collins is the drummer for Genesis, a prog band in the database.

If I made a poll involving the vocals of Trevor Rabin in Yes (who is not in PA as a solo artist but is a guitarist and vocalist for Yes), would someone have to edit my title to "Trevor Rabin (with Yes)!"

Don't get me wrong. I agree with you. Besides the content of the poll is about Genesis songs, whatever the title.

Make a stand! Re-edit it!Wink


I'm aware I can do that, but I am miffed that someone went behind my back and just changed the title of my thread (if you read the original post, the title as it was was part of the little "joke").

I'm a member in good standing here- if an admin has a problem with my thread title (which I can't understand why), I would at least like to be notified.

I concede this is small issue, but I find it rather disrespectful (particularly since I was not violating any rule).

I can only say again that I agree with you, and I understand it was part of your joke.

Maybe you (we?) should find out who actually did it, so the issue can be discussed man to man?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2009 at 17:26
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

The (with Genesis) was added presumably?
Probably so that it will be seen to fit in to "Prog Polls" section.


Yes, but Phil Collins is the drummer for Genesis, a prog band in the database.

If I made a poll involving the vocals of Trevor Rabin in Yes (who is not in PA as a solo artist but is a guitarist and vocalist for Yes), would someone have to edit my title to "Trevor Rabin (with Yes)!"

Don't get me wrong. I agree with you. Besides the content of the poll is about Genesis songs, whatever the title.

Make a stand! Re-edit it!Wink


I'm aware I can do that, but I am miffed that someone went behind my back and just changed the title of my thread (if you read the original post, the title as it was was part of the little "joke").

I'm a member in good standing here- if an admin has a problem with my thread title (which I can't understand why), I would at least like to be notified.

I concede this is small issue, but I find it rather disrespectful (particularly since I was not violating any rule).

I can only say again that I agree with you, and I understand it was part of your joke.

Maybe you (we?) should find out who actually did it, so the issue can be discussed man to man?


Eh, I'll just try it your way.  Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2009 at 17:27
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

The (with Genesis) was added presumably?
Probably so that it will be seen to fit in to "Prog Polls" section.


Yes, but Phil Collins is the drummer for Genesis, a prog band in the database.

If I made a poll involving the vocals of Trevor Rabin in Yes (who is not in PA as a solo artist but is a guitarist and vocalist for Yes), would someone have to edit my title to "Trevor Rabin (with Yes)!"

Don't get me wrong. I agree with you. Besides the content of the poll is about Genesis songs, whatever the title.

Make a stand! Re-edit it!Wink


I'm aware I can do that, but I am miffed that someone went behind my back and just changed the title of my thread (if you read the original post, the title as it was was part of the little "joke").

I'm a member in good standing here- if an admin has a problem with my thread title (which I can't understand why), I would at least like to be notified.

I concede this is small issue, but I find it rather disrespectful (particularly since I was not violating any rule).

I can only say again that I agree with you, and I understand it was part of your joke.

Maybe you (we?) should find out who actually did it, so the issue can be discussed man to man?


Eh, I'll just try it your way.  Wink

Which? They were both my way.LOL

EDIT: Ok...I know which.Smile

EDIT 2: Someone has changed it back again.Shocked


Edited by Snow Dog - July 08 2009 at 03:49
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2009 at 11:01
This "issue" seems to be cropping up again....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2009 at 12:07
In what way? Please quote specifics when highlighting an issue, generalisations do not allow investigation or explanation.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2009 at 12:25

Bob, this thread in particular is the current thread at issue.  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=62336.  The title of the thread was edited, presumably by an administrator, but without a message to the original poster, or leaving an "edited by xxx" message in the original post.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2009 at 12:34
^ what was the original title?
What?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2009 at 12:37
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ what was the original title?


The Power and the Glory
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2009 at 12:38
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:


There is an admin who likes to screw with my thread titles.

Well, I edited it back.  I don't see why "The Power and the Glory" must be changed to "Best track from The Power & the Glory (GG)."

Angry
This from a post from Rob.  It was later changed again to the current title.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2009 at 12:43

ok

What?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2009 at 12:48
It's not that I mind the edits themselves in principal, but the way they are conducted, which is to say, secretly and seemingly without any good reason.

The latest thread was:

The Power and the Glory

later it got changed to

The Power & the Glory (GG)

I changed it back, and now it's

The Power and the Glory (Gentle Giant)


Another time I had a Phil Collins poll about his vocal duties with Genesis during the Gabriel-era, and that thread title must have changed like three or four times, again, with no notification or reason given.

In another thread, I suggested this:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:



Happens all the time to me.  Also, a thread will be in one place for almost three days and then show up in another forum on the fourth.

I don't mind administrative housekeeping in optimizing forum functionality and keeping it unoffensive, but if my thread or post gets edited, it would seem gentlemanly of whoever did it to just let me know why.


And as an example of how this issue can be resolved:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

It could just be even a note at the bottom of the OP, like so:




Admin edit: changed the thread title to make it show up on the artist page

Edited by XXX at 10:00 EST




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2009 at 13:09
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

In what way? Please quote specifics when highlighting an issue, generalisations do not allow investigation or explanation.
 
Thanks.


First I wanted to get the tenor of your (collective) concern.

You (collective) know you're doing it, I just wanted to see if anyone cared.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2009 at 13:33
Thread titles sometimes get changed to try to make it clearer for other members what they are about. Often, a news thread for example will simply show the band name. It looks much better on the home page if it is shown as a headline.
 
In the case of "The power and the glory", many members may not know that it is about an album by Gentle Giant. Adding "Gentle Giant" to the thread name simply helps them to judge whether or not they are interested in it. What is the problem with adding such info to a thread title? With all the polls now being created, surely it is best to help people find the ones they might want to view.
 
As an aside, the underlying tone of some posts in this thread is disappointing and demotivating. Personally, I don't mind constructive criticism but I find the tone here to sometimes be less than friendly. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2009 at 13:40

Oi! Less of the "You (collective)"! ... It's not me. I only correct spelling errors in titles.

What?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2009 at 13:45

I don't believe that there is a problem with the change to the title so much, as the fact that the title was changed without a message to the original poster, or with the note that the post was edited by administrator x.  If the post says that the post was edited by Easy Livin or Dean, the poster can at least respond to that administrator with their point of view for why they posted what they did.  When the thread is "ghost edited", there is noone for the poster to respond to.  I believe that at least in this instance the lack of communication from the editor is why some forum members are upset.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2009 at 13:50
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Oi! Less of the "You (collective)"! ... It's not me. I only correct spelling errors in titles.



I'm not interested in who is doing it or has done it in the past.  Merely that future edits be identified.

Bob:  the problem lies not with the content of the edit, but the anonymity of the action.  If the correction of the thread title is done to be helpful, a simple identification of who is doing the edit and why is all that is being asked here, I think.

And I'm sorry if you don't care for my tone, but I detected a certain amount of snarkiness in your initial reply, to be quite honest.  Rob is not some n00b off the street - he's a respected collaborator on here; the least that could be done when editing his titles is to inform of it, though to be honest I don't see why his original title was really in need of correction, your explanation notwithstanding.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2009 at 13:55
In Epignosis case it seems he did object to the change, as he says he changed it back. It seems he did not want people to know from the title that the thread was about Gentle Giant. 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2009 at 14:00
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

In Epignosis case it seems he did object to the change, as he says he changed it back. It seems he did not want people to know from the title that the thread was about Gentle Giant. 
 


The original change did not say "Gentle Giant."  It said "The Power & the Glory (GG)," which as far as I can tell, doesn't help new folks navigate any better either.

I really am only asking to be notified of changes to thread titles or posts.  Just a short note- could be a quick post in the thread really.  I don't think the anonymity is necessary, and frankly, I think it's a tad sinister.
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