Sonata Arctica - prog related?

Mr ProgFreak wrote: I think they deserve to be included as Prog-Related, especially for Unia.

They can't get in prog-related unless it is proven they were an influence on the development of prog, read the definition for prog related.

^ I just added John Cale to PR (with the approval of the other admins) the other day. Read his bio to learn how he helped develope many aspects of what we call progressive rock today.

Easy Money wrote: Mr ProgFreak wrote: I think they deserve to be included as Prog-Related, especially for Unia. They can't get in prog-related unless it is proven they were an influence on the development of prog, read the definition for prog related.

Then with all due respect the definition needs to be changed ... or how did dEUS, Dir En Grey, Asia, Aviv Geffen, Muse etc. influence the development of prog? Those are all bands which were influenced by prog but didn't exactly "cross the threshold".

^ many of the artists that are currently in prog related were moved there from categories like crossover, heavy and eclectic prog (the former "Art Rock" category) because they were deemed "not prog enough" (and I agree).

I guess that to properly define this category, it would need to be split in two sections:

a) Bands which were influential on prog *and* used elements of prog themselves
b) Bands which simply aren't prog enough to be included in the other categories

As it is now, the definition is simply not matching the list of bands.

^ some of those bands indeed need to be moved - but not to a "proper" genre, since they aren't fully fledged prog. That's the dilemma - in order to fix this problem without changing the definition of PR we need another category. The only other solution would be to move the bands that fit a) in my former post to proto-prog - but of course that would not be approved of by other members.

Maybe it could be done like this:

- Rename Proto-Prog to Proto-Prog/Influential
- Move all the a) bands there
- Change the definition of prog-related to something like "bands that exhibit many characteristic elements of progressive music, but don't really cross the threshold"

^ it's relevant until it gets fixed IMO, no matter how much time has passed or how many (futile) discussions took place. But I know that chances are slim that it ever gets fixed, so I guess we'll have to live with the fact that, according to PA, Dir En Grey were a huge influence on Prog. ;-)

^ for now a quick and easy fix would be to enhance the current definition so that being an influence to prog is just one of the ways a band can be related to prog. Some bands might be related through band members, others through their music containing some elements of progressive music, but not enough to qualify as fully fledged prog. We could also add that the category doesn't necessarily contain every band that fits the description, but only a selection which is determined by the admins based on criteria like level of relation and relevance.

^ then the thread title should be changed ...

^ sorry I took things off subject, but Dean's right, we need a genre for Roxy Music, they are soooo cool, ha ha, I'm done here.

Not mine to tweak, nor within my 'powers'.