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    Posted: October 11 2009 at 07:12
I'm aware that this band was discussed back in 2005 and rejected, but since then their music has taken a turn to a more progressive direction. I'd consider 2007's Unia a fully progressive effort, and their latest album, The days of grays isn't what you'd call straight ahead power metal either.

On the band's MySpace page, the progressive side of their music is perhaps best represented by In Black and White, the opening track of Unia.

http://www.myspace.com/sonataarctica

Do notice that on the page, the band calls itself progressive. Would PA be willing to verify this claim?
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Prog-related probably isn´t a possibility. The very few acts added to prog-related has to have had a significant influence on progressive rock or metal even though they are not fully prog as far as I understand. Prog-related is not the best name for the sub-genre really because people seem to misunderstand the intention behind the creation of such a sub. Prog-related is not a sub where everything with just the slightest connection to prog is placed/ dumped. If Sonata Arctica should ever be added to PA it would be in progressive metal as far as I am concerned, and as they´ve been rejected that is not an option anymore. At least not until they release an album the Progressive Metal Team feel would fit in the genre.
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Points: 1131 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2009 at 07:50
They have released two albums after being rejected, as I mentioned. And how about Crossover Prog?

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Points: 10679 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2009 at 08:56
Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

Prog-related probably isn´t a possibility. The very few acts added to prog-related has to have had a significant influence on progressive rock or metal even though they are not fully prog as far as I understand. Prog-related is not the best name for the sub-genre really because people seem to misunderstand the intention behind the creation of such a sub. Prog-related is not a sub where everything with just the slightest connection to prog is placed/ dumped. If Sonata Arctica should ever be added to PA it would be in progressive metal as far as I am concerned, and as they´ve been rejected that is not an option anymore. At least not until they release an album the Progressive Metal Team feel would fit in the genre.


Thanks Umur, that is pretty much what prog related is about. Probably not the best genre for a new addition to heads toward.

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OK, so prog-related is out of the question. I don't want to force the addition of this band to the site, as a lot of their music could indeed be classified as power metal. But I think that Unia is a great progressive album.
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Originally posted by St.Cleve Chronicle St.Cleve Chronicle wrote:

They have released two albums after being rejected, as I mentioned. And how about Crossover Prog?

Curious suggestion - while we do have some metal bands in Xover, they are crossover with art rock and mainstream (alt) rock, which is why we can include them in the subgenre. Sonata Arctica are Power Metal with some Prog Metal tendancies, I cannot see how they would fit.
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Points: 1131 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2009 at 09:52
Right. Well I have to say I haven't seen many heavy bands in Crossover...

It's beginning to look like your answer is no. Well, that's fine. Just wanted to ask.


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Sorry, but they didn't have any influence of progressive rock, and they've been rejected by the metal team. It wouldn't be relevant in any other subgenre, so I think they won't get on PA.Smile

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Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

Sorry, but they didn't have any influence of progressive rock, and they've been rejected by the metal team. It wouldn't be relevant in any other subgenre, so I think they won't get on PA.Smile

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If it's true that the rejection happened in 2005, then there's new evidence that could be taken into account. I've heard their two latest albums are clearly their most versatile (I don't want to use the word progressive because I haven't heard them). I'm just saying this, there's no passion on my part to either direction.
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If a band has been rejected in the past they can always try again, especially if they have new material that further proves their inclusion. I'm not familiar with this band, although I used to be up on the metal scene, these days I probably know about as much as your Dad, ha ha.

Forunately we have other admins who dig the metal, as well as a killer prog-metal team.
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^Well, as I said a couple of times (and as Pekka pointed out) their latest two albums are more progressive than the older ones. So maybe the prog metal team could take a look at "Unia"...?
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I'm familiar with this band and I don't see them neighter in related or cross, they are melodic power metal not far from Stratovarius. So my vote is no, UMUR said very well what s all about.
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I haven´t heard Unia yet ( I kinda lost interest in Sonata Arctica after the first two albums) but as it was released after the rejection I´ll bring it to the attention of the rest of the Progressive Metal Team that a re-evaluation has been suggested on the grounds of the music on Unia and to a lesser extent the music on In Black and White. I´ll post wether or not the team will consider a re-evalution in this thread.
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Points: 1131 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2009 at 04:57
Thanks for taking your time on this!

...Though "In Black and White" is actually a track on "Unia", not an album. Wink
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Points: 5195 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2009 at 04:58
I think they deserve to be included as Prog-Related, especially for Unia.
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Points: 9226 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2009 at 15:30
Originally posted by b_olariu b_olariu wrote:

I'm familiar with this band and I don't see them neighter in related or cross, they are melodic power metal not far from Stratovarius. So my vote is no, UMUR said very well what s all about.
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Points: 489 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2009 at 15:39
Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

Originally posted by b_olariu b_olariu wrote:

I'm familiar with this band and I don't see them neighter in related or cross, they are melodic power metal not far from Stratovarius. So my vote is no, UMUR said very well what s all about.
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Points: 2537 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2009 at 16:21
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

I think they deserve to be included as Prog-Related, especially for Unia.
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2009 at 16:39
Sonata Arctica was not a progressive metal band. However, UNIA is a progressive metal album.
 
I'm torn between two alternatives: adding a band just for ONE album, or rejecting a band that has released a progressive metal album.
 
I'm not sure.  
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Points: 7826 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2009 at 17:36
Originally posted by Pekka Pekka wrote:

Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

Sorry, but they didn't have any influence of progressive rock, and they've been rejected by the metal team. It wouldn't be relevant in any other subgenre, so I think they won't get on PA.Smile

-Jeff
If it's true that the rejection happened in 2005, then there's new evidence that could be taken into account. I've heard their two latest albums are clearly their most versatile (I don't want to use the word progressive because I haven't heard them). I'm just saying this, there's no passion on my part to either direction.


Keep in mind I did vote Yes for their addition into prog metal. Unia is a progressive metal album, and our general rule is that if a band has a completely progressive album, they should be here. I think the progressive metal team (such as I) should probably be the most liberal team here simply because many metal bands would not fit in prog related, so if a band deserves to be here for some reason, I think they should get approved by us. However, that's completely beyond my control. I've voted Yes on their addition, and that's the most I can possibly do.

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