Worst Prog Band?

My point is that you may hate Sigur Ros. You may think they're absolute garbage. However, to say they're the worst band on the site I think is just naive. It seems to be a decision fueled by the fact that other people here really enjoy them.

Edited by Equality 7-2521 - August 12 2009 at 23:02

I see the point. If nobody liked them, I wouldn't say they're the worst... Well, while that could really happen and it would be quite a normal behavior of someone with too high or too low an ego, this is a case where no matter how hard I try i can't find any other band from all the ones I've heard that seem worse to me. I mean, i don't like CAN, I can't stand them... but I can hear why other people love them and I recognize their talent. The same with many other bands. i would even go as far as to say Kayo Dot's DAWCT, while an atrocious album in my view, has enough going on so that I can see why other peop,e consider it a masterpiece. With the Icelandic band, I just can't. Whining, repetition, drowsiness with no structure and no nothing, overindulgence of a different kind than the typical show-off act... sorry, I think they are just not good. I'm sure there are far worse acts. This one, though, inmediately jumps to my mind.

To The T: If you think that Sigur Ros is whiny, repetitive and has no structure, you really haven't been listening to them. Just because the singer has a high-pitched, immasculine voice does not mean he is whining. Sure, they repeat their riffs and melodies just like all those other post-rock bands, but while they keep a theme constant, they are changing what surrounds it. They work on the atmosphere and the dynamics and what not. It's just another style of composition. Which leads to the structure. There is clearly structure to the music and it's not even worth coming up with a counterexample for that.

Edited by Moatilliatta - August 13 2009 at 00:30

Calling something "ridiculous" is not the sign of an intolerant person. I was not attacking you personally and I'm completely comfortable with differing opinions and was merely laying out my own. It's also not the sign of an inmature personal because, well, frankly that isn't a word. It's just me describing my tastes with a sense of confidence and conviction. And, with all respect, once you realize that not everybody expresses their opinions in as politically correct, reverent or nice ways as you do, you'll be much more comfortable hearing opinions that you don't like. 

Edited by Moatilliatta - August 13 2009 at 02:46

Eh, I'm bored and have some spare time, so I'll throw in my x amount of cents/dollars into the ring.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of Sigor Ros, but despite that I can't understand how someone can't see how massively influential they've been.
I don't like TFK at all, but I  understand their importance anyway.

Red Chord/ DEP, I don't agree entirely with Chris, but I'm more inclined to agree more with Chris' points than Ts about them too.
I listen with different ears when I put on different music.
If I put on a pop rock band, say like Paramore, I'm not going to put it on and expect 10-15 minute extreme progressive metal epics in the style of Between the Buried and Me, or Opeth.
If I put on Merzbow, it's not because I want a hit of melody, the exact opposite. I'll put that on when I want complete mind f**k when I'm in the mood.
If I put on Joe Satriani, it's because I'm in the mood for something with a lot of melodic hooks and melodic guitar lines.

And see with The Red Chord vs DEP, I don't think you can listen with the same ears when put them on side by side.
When I'm listening to The Red Chord, if I put on the first album, the ears I'm listening with is that of a tech deathcore/grindcore/metalcore mind set.
Their later stuff, less of a deathcore thing, but more of a tech death/tech grindcore mindset.
It's true that I think DEP is more innnovative.
They are one of the most innovative bands of the last 10 years, easily. The sheer amout of bands I've seen influenced by them, whether it be local bands in my home city of Melbourne, or otherwise, is staggering.
They've influenced me too as a musician and guitarist.

As bands, yeah, I do like DEP more as well.
But come on now Chris, they play two different styles of music. One is a mathcore/experimental metal band that shows their hardcore roots in their music quite clearly while the other is quite obviously more rooted in deathgrind, deathcore, death metal, metalcore and tech death and while does display hardcore influences, it's not as obvious and as common an element in their music.
"fuses technical metal & hardcore with jazz rhythms/polyrhthms, electronics and ambient and/or cleanly sung passages like they do"
Well, the Red Chord don't exactly play the same genre of music anyway, so for me personally I'm not gonna put on The Red Chord and say "Oh man, it doesn't have the jazz rhythms/polyrhythms/polymeters I hear in some of that mathcore/experimental metal stuff".
The Red Chord do their own thing and they do it quite well, significantly better than most of the "genericmetalcoremallcore" bands out there.
They are a lot more melodic than DEP too. Not melodic in the sense of "OH MAN SUPER HAPPY BLATANT MELODIC HOOKS OH sh*t OH MAN" but more that they are less inclined to use dissonance/atonality as much and melodic leads are more common, whereas many of the DEP solos are not really based on the melodic diatonic scales
I think The Red Chord is fusing deathgrind, death metal, grindcore and deathcore in a very modern way, an approach I appreciate highly in a world where we have a lot of bands that are basically parodies of themselves because they are just content to sound like 1980s Morbid Angel ,Obituary and Napalm Death still and haven't realized the times have changed and moved forward.
Can I think of any other band that does deathgrind/death metal/tech death/deathcore/metalcore in the way The Red Chord does? Not a single band to be honest. The closest I can think of is Born of Osiris, but they lack the deathgrind and grindcore elements completely and only have the death metal/deathcore/ tech elements.
Now, I'm not saying you gotta like the band more, but I think they have positive merits, more so than many realize.

There are many people saying The Red Chord is part of the generation of extreme metal bands, along with Between the Buried and Me, Born Of Osiris and Veil of Maya, who despite what the "Troo and kvlt" metal heads believe to be not "Troo and kvlt" metal, are actually pushing the boundaries of metal.
It's always that kinda cycle really. When the first death metal bands came out, it wasn't accepted, but then years later people finally began to understand what they were trying to do in the first place and they see it as brilliant and forward thinking.
Same thing with those 4 bands above. In addition to the metal bands they were influenced by, they were into the core stuff and want to incorporate that into the music but the "troo" metal brigade that apparently know better want to push them down into a hole in the ground. And it's exactly that attitude that made me want to dissociate myself with metalhead culture somewhat and just try something new. As it is now, half my iTunes list isn't even metal anymore to be honest. I've become a big fan of core music, which is apparently the "enemy" of metal, but I don't care anymore about "staying troo" to metal, I just like what I like really.
The result? We can NEVER MOVE FORWARD AND PROGRESS because people are afraid of the unknown and the different. It's human nature.

So setting aside subjective stuff and the fact I do think DEP is a more innovative, more interesting to listen to band, I do at least believe The Red Chord has it's place in helping metal to move forward and is at least somewhat innovative, if not to the great extent DEP is.
So when you put on The Red Chord, try listening with different ears and try to hear it more from an extreme metal perspective, perhaps you might hear something in it you didn't last time you heard it. You might not, but it doesn't hurt to try anyway.


Edited by Petrovsk Mizinski - August 13 2009 at 05:27

This is a good example of how subjective this opinions may be

[double post]

Edited by Moatilliatta - August 13 2009 at 12:29

Moatilliatta wrote:   OK, I'm going to keep this one as brief as possible.   Sigur Ros, now that you've brought in new adjectives to describe them, it's become clear that you have only listened to one of their albums. I've heard more but reviewed only one. The same that I dislike DT-haters reviewing every DT album with one star, I guess Sigur Ros fans would dislike if I, a person who is known for not liking Sigur Ros, would review all their albums (or the ones I've heard) with low ratings.   I went to your collaborator page, and sure enough, you've only put down a review for ( ), and for that I can understand your position completely. Well, I don't know for a fact that you listened to several Sigur albums and only reviewed one, but it seems like you hated ( ) so much that you didn't bother with any of their other albums. Almost.  If that is true, it's not fair to say they don't change or have one mood only. In the ones I've tried, yes. I don't see what's wrong with having a common mood throughout an album, but if a band maintained that mood throughout all of their albums, I would agree that that is not desireable. haven't tried their newer stuff though. However, please take a few minutes to listen to their song "Gobbledigook" Doing so right now... Never had... and tell me that Sigur Ros doesn't change, revolves around "bland repetition," and maintains one mood only. that song sounds a little better, less whining, in a different mood... It's better, I can say. Well, maybe they have improved with time after all. But that's just one song. Let me try more from that new album right now... I'm trying "Festival" which is longer and therefore more dangerous... let me see...   DEP: sure, you like some techy bands, but what I noticed from your profile about which ones you like is that they are not the hectic, noisy kind like DEP and TRC are. That is kinda true. But there are some that, while noisy and not too much to my liking, I can recognize as bands with quality and merits.... I fail to see it with DEP. Certainly the ones you do like are loud and what not too, but there is a certain thing about the speeds, dissonance and spastic nature in these two bands' music that differs from the ones you enjoy most.  That's true but, again, when we have a thread about worst band with no judging parameters, I will use what for me is destroying music as parameter for bad, and DEP are masters of that.   The parameters thing is completely true, but what I was trying to get at is if two bands fail on the sibjective taste level, they can still be evaluated in other ways, like instrumental skills. Correct. And I would be a fool if I didn't recognize that DEP can play their asses off their instruments. They CAN play. No question about that. I'm just accusing them of what others accuse DT of: playing as fast and technical as possible with no purpose. I was not trying to tie it into the topic of this thread; I was merely pointing out that even if your tastes tell you something is bad, you can still look past that, if only for a moment, and evaluate other parts of the music.Which I tried. And if not evident, it was my bad.     Edit: I've finished "Festival" from their last album and.... well....... it's my good old Sigur Ros, the one I have to stay away from...

Mmm.... maybe so Moatilliatta, maybe so.