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Jim Garten 
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 Posted: August 11 2009 at 11:11 |
Many thanks  ... only 6 months to wait then 
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pulsefloyd
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Posted: August 11 2009 at 10:44 |
 Jim Garten wrote:
I sympathise with those outside of the UK who have to pay extortionate prices for the magazine (NZ$35??  ), but the price we pay in the UK is the average for a specialist music mag.
If it's the case that only a UK publisher is producing such a magazine, that's a shame - we Brits would have to pay a similarly ridiculous price if it were published in say the USA alone...
As far as the CD is concerned, it's the usual policy for Classic Rock to give away (however you define the word 'free') CDs with a couple of known artists & a slew of unknowns to give the new bands exposure. On the back of the latest CD I bought the Astra album 'The Weirding' (excellent), but unfortunately have been unable to track down any releases from Haken. |
Haken are recording their debut album in August and September and it will be released in January 2010.
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toroddfuglesteg
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Posted: August 10 2009 at 14:09 |
Prog Metal...........  I think I will give that a miss due to some tax bills which requires my full attention.
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lazland
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Posted: August 10 2009 at 13:36 |
crimhead wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
Got the third issue yesterday too - only had a brief glance though thus far, but in addition to all the above, there's a small article on our very own Tinyfish (incidentally, even the sister magazine Classic Rock is pipping Tinyfish for big things ) |
How is the CD in issue 3?
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Good. Track list is: Pendragon - Indigo Konchordat - Motion Breathing Space - Clear The Wishing Tree - Hollow Hills Darwin's Radio - Breathe It In Knifeworld - The Wretched Fathoms Porcupine Tree - Time Flies (Edit) The Resonance Association - The Moment Has Passed
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crimhead
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Posted: August 09 2009 at 13:11 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Got the third issue yesterday too - only had a brief glance though thus far, but in addition to all the above, there's a small article on our very own Tinyfish (incidentally, even the sister magazine Classic Rock is pipping Tinyfish for big things ) |
How is the CD in issue 3?
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lazland
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 14:19 |
Buy it - it's great. Thoroughly good articles and interviews, and it is especially nice to see the Italian Prog piece, plus a very rare Ant Phillips interview. Worth every penny. 
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Wilcey
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 02:05 |
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Darn fine publication, I am currently in the queue waiting patiently for my turn to read it, but I thought the CD was pretty well great! Love the new PT track!
W x
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Jim Garten
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Posted: August 07 2009 at 02:03 |
Got the third issue yesterday too - only had a brief glance though thus far, but in addition to all the above, there's a small article on our very own Tinyfish (incidentally, even the sister magazine Classic Rock is pipping Tinyfish for big things )
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Green Shield Stamp
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Posted: August 06 2009 at 13:42 |
I now have my copy of the third issue of the magazine. This month the focus is more towards prog metal with pretty thorough features on Opeth, Tool, Queensryche, Voivod and Symphony X. There are lengthy articles on Rush and Steve Hackett. Other featured artists also include Porcupine Tree, Marillion. There are interesting items on Italian Prog and the Vertigo record label.
I know it's pricey but where else would you get all of this?
I haven't heard the cover-mount CD yet, but it contains an exclusive from Porcupine Tree's forthcoming new album 'The Incident' and a track from 'Pure' by Pendragon.
The next issue is out on 30th September.
Edited by Green Shield Stamp - August 06 2009 at 13:44
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: August 06 2009 at 01:07 |
Jim Garten wrote:
I sympathise with those outside of the UK who have to pay extortionate prices for the magazine (NZ$35?? ), but the price we pay in the UK is the average for a specialist music mag.
If it's the case that only a UK publisher is producing such a magazine, that's a shame - we Brits would have to pay a similarly ridiculous price if it were published in say the USA alone...
As far as the CD is concerned, it's the usual policy for Classic Rock to give away (however you define the word 'free') CDs with a couple of known artists & a slew of unknowns to give the new bands exposure. On the back of the latest CD I bought the Astra album 'The Weirding' (excellent), but unfortunately have been unable to track down any releases from Haken. |
IN Australia the mag costs $19.95. I admittedly would not have bought it only as far as I am concerned any prog is good prog and a mag based soley on prog is bliss! The CD in issue 1 is still awesome I believe but CD2 looks a little on the ordinary side. I hope its just teething problems in its early stages but this mag has enormous potential. But I agree that CD is not 'free' - its an incentive but its not free.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: August 05 2009 at 05:10 |
I don't think CR gets much of the extra money forked over by the international readers.... it's mostly the intermediary press exports taking their shares
There is no justifications that CR doubles its £ price in €, just by crossing the channel , especially with nthe ££££ being almost on par with €€€€€
On top of it, we geta slew of unwanted clothes catalogue and a bunch of idiotic lotery tickets tha we can't win, since we're nit UK citizens.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Jim Garten
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Posted: August 05 2009 at 02:12 |
I sympathise with those outside of the UK who have to pay extortionate prices for the magazine (NZ$35?? ), but the price we pay in the UK is the average for a specialist music mag.
If it's the case that only a UK publisher is producing such a magazine, that's a shame - we Brits would have to pay a similarly ridiculous price if it were published in say the USA alone...
As far as the CD is concerned, it's the usual policy for Classic Rock to give away (however you define the word 'free') CDs with a couple of known artists & a slew of unknowns to give the new bands exposure. On the back of the latest CD I bought the Astra album 'The Weirding' (excellent), but unfortunately have been unable to track down any releases from Haken.
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Any Colour You Like
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Posted: August 04 2009 at 17:14 |
valravennz wrote:
Well - have finally laid eyes on this publication - the 2nd Issue - and was immediately put off by the asking price - NZ$35.00!! I next had a quick flick through and am more than ever convinced that this publication is well over-priced. Prog does need new fans and more exposure but NOT at that price! I can buy two or three decent cd's and/or a more authorative tome on the subject of Prog Rock from Amazon for that price. No thank you - Classic Rock!! |
I know, I saw it in the CD store as well, at first I was like "oh sweet" And then I saw the price...
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Dean
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Posted: August 04 2009 at 14:23 |
Green Shield Stamp wrote:
Dean wrote:
^ A point of clarification: the inclusion of the whole discography of an artist does not mean that the whole discography is considered to be Prog, quite the contrary - if an album isn't Prog then nothing can ever make it so. The inclusion of Miles Davis was purely for his JR/F albums, the rest came as a by-product of his addition and they are not considered to be Prog by anyone. |
I agree with you, but when I questioned Negoba about the inclusion of 'Kind of Blue' he said that if an artist is listed in Prog Archives then their recorded output can be included in the top 100 prog albums. If you look at the lists being created by contributers you will find other straight ahead jazz albums being included.
It seems crazy to me, because hypothetically you could end up with a top 100 prog albums list made up entirely of non prog albums!!! |
'Tis is true - that's the problem with categorising albums by the artists subgenre and people rating based on it being just a great album and not whether the album is a great prog album. The system isn't perfect, but it will balance out in the end even if a few non-Prog albums enter the top100, they will never dominate in the way you hypothetically suggest.
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Green Shield Stamp
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Posted: August 04 2009 at 14:08 |
Dean wrote:
^ A point of clarification: the inclusion of the whole discography of an artist does not mean that the whole discography is considered to be Prog, quite the contrary - if an album isn't Prog then nothing can ever make it so. The inclusion of Miles Davis was purely for his JR/F albums, the rest came as a by-product of his addition and they are not considered to be Prog by anyone. |
I agree with you, but when I questioned Negoba about the inclusion of 'Kind of Blue' he said that if an artist is listed in Prog Archives then their recorded output can be included in the top 100 prog albums. If you look at the lists being created by contributers you will find other straight ahead jazz albums being included.
It seems crazy to me, because hypothetically you could end up with a top 100 prog albums list made up entirely of non prog albums!!!
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: August 03 2009 at 19:12 |
lazland wrote:
deafmoon wrote:
So far i have picked up both Issue 1 and Issue 2 and in my humble opinion, I am not impressed. The cd's have brought nothing new to my ears. The writing is mediocre at best and really the 'FRESHNESS' FACTOR is non existent.
Rehash is always nice when it brings to light something different. Like similarly what U.S.A. magazine DRUMHEAD did with Barriemore Barlow, Tull's formidable drummer from the 70's. But Rehashing what everyone already or at least should know, like history of Pink Floyd? C'mon that's like... well...yesterday's left-overs with a garnish of parsley. |
Let's not forget, though, that ANY publicity and exposure of the genre is positive, and, of course, there are many younger fans just finding and exploring prog for whom the history of Floyd IS new and exciting.
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Dean
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Posted: August 03 2009 at 12:49 |
^ A point of clarification: the inclusion of the whole discography of an artist does not mean that the whole discography is considered to be Prog, quite the contrary - if an album isn't Prog then nothing can ever make it so. The inclusion of Miles Davis was purely for his JR/F albums, the rest came as a by-product of his addition and they are not considered to be Prog by anyone.
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Green Shield Stamp
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Posted: August 03 2009 at 12:04 |
I agree that the writing could be more penetrating and enlightening. The style at times veers dangerously close to a fanzine. Having said that, I have read both issues so far from cover to cover and I will be making my way to WH Smiths on Wednesday to get issue 3 (even though it is very expensive). The magazine could provide much more for less money, but it still provides a damn sight more on Prog than any other magazine in circulation in the UK.
I seem to be in a minority in liking the cover-mount CD on issue 2. Many people are questioning whether many of the bands featured are prog. This is kind of ironic because in another thread not too far from here, there is currently a poll of the best prog albums ever - I questioned the inclusion of 'Kind of Blue' by Miles Davis - the response was given that Miles Davis is a featured artist in Prog Archives, therefore all of his albums can be considered prog!!!!
If the straight ahead jazz albums of Miles Davis to be deemed as prog (and eligible for inclusion in the prog album poll), I am surprised that the artists on Prognosis 2 are causing such controversy.
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crimhead
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Posted: August 03 2009 at 00:43 |
valravennz wrote:
Well - have finally laid eyes on this publication - the 2nd Issue - and was immediately put off by the asking price - NZ$35.00!! I next had a quick flick through and am more than ever convinced that this publication is well over-priced. Prog does need new fans and more exposure but NOT at that price! I can buy two or three decent cd's and/or a more authorative tome on the subject of Prog Rock from Amazon for that price. No thank you - Classic Rock!! |
That has been my gripe from day one about these mags that SHOUT OUT "FREE!!!!! CD!!!!". The CD is not free if you are paying far more than $10 for the magazine. Most magazines in the US today are $4.99-6.99. They need to knock off at least $5 to make it worth buying IMHO. Why spend $5 more for it when most if not all other magazines offering a free(snicker) CD are $10.99?
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valravennz
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Posted: August 02 2009 at 21:32 |
Well - have finally laid eyes on this publication - the 2nd Issue - and was immediately put off by the asking price - NZ$35.00!! I next had a quick flick through and am more than ever convinced that this publication is well over-priced. Prog does need new fans and more exposure but NOT at that price! I can buy two or three decent cd's and/or a more authorative tome on the subject of Prog Rock from Amazon for that price. No thank you - Classic Rock!!
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