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lazland 
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 Posted: August 01 2009 at 14:30 |
 deafmoon wrote:
So far i have picked up both Issue 1 and Issue 2 and in my humble opinion, I am not impressed. The cd's have brought nothing new to my ears. The writing is mediocre at best and really the 'FRESHNESS' FACTOR is non existent.
Rehash is always nice when it brings to light something different. Like similarly what U.S.A. magazine DRUMHEAD did with Barriemore Barlow, Tull's formidable drummer from the 70's. But Rehashing what everyone already or at least should know, like history of Pink Floyd? C'mon that's like... well...yesterday's left-overs with a garnish of parsley. |
Let's not forget, though, that ANY publicity and exposure of the genre is positive, and, of course, there are many younger fans just finding and exploring prog for whom the history of Floyd IS new and exciting.
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deafmoon
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Posted: August 01 2009 at 09:35 |
So far i have picked up both Issue 1 and Issue 2 and in my humble opinion, I am not impressed. The cd's have brought nothing new to my ears. The writing is mediocre at best and really the 'FRESHNESS' FACTOR is non existent.
Rehash is always nice when it brings to light something different. Like similarly what U.S.A. magazine DRUMHEAD did with Barriemore Barlow, Tull's formidable drummer from the 70's. But Rehashing what everyone already or at least should know, like history of Pink Floyd? C'mon that's like... well...yesterday's left-overs with a garnish of parsley.
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk
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Posted: July 09 2009 at 07:50 |
Rocktopus wrote:
Green Shield Stamp wrote:
Track Listing for second CD (Prognosis 2):
1. Dream Theater - A Rite of Passage (Black Clouds..)
2. Touchstone - Strange Days (Wintercoast)
3. Also Eden - Skimming Stones (It's Kind of You to Ask)
4. Astra - The River Under (The Weirding)
5. Pictorial Wand - Face Our Fathers (Face Our Fathers)
6. Agah Bahari - Revolving Universe (The Second Sight of Mind)
7. Haken - Black Seed (Demo album)
8. The Treat - Anger Management (Audio Verite)
9. IQ - Ryker Skies (Frequency)
10. Sine Star Project - Chinese Drag Queen (Building Humans)
11. Aquaplanage - The Sands of Time (Aquaplanage)
12. Gazpacho - Tick Tock Part III (Tick Tock)
I think the CD is better than Prognosis 1. The magazine is also an improvement. I hope this continues to be the case. It is shaping up to be a brilliant publication. The next issue is out 5th August and will largely be devoted to the genre of Prog Metal. |
And I thought they couldn't do any worse. If this is prog, I'm not a fan of the genre anymore.
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Completely agree with Christer... At leasdt the first Cd's second half had sometracks that was outside the Neo-ProgMetal soundscapes ..... this one simply doesn't.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: July 08 2009 at 22:32 |
Rocktopus wrote:
Green Shield Stamp wrote:
Track Listing for second CD (Prognosis 2):
1. Dream Theater - A Rite of Passage (Black Clouds..)
2. Touchstone - Strange Days (Wintercoast)
3. Also Eden - Skimming Stones (It's Kind of You to Ask)
4. Astra - The River Under (The Weirding)
5. Pictorial Wand - Face Our Fathers (Face Our Fathers)
6. Agah Bahari - Revolving Universe (The Second Sight of Mind)
7. Haken - Black Seed (Demo album)
8. The Treat - Anger Management (Audio Verite)
9. IQ - Ryker Skies (Frequency)
10. Sine Star Project - Chinese Drag Queen (Building Humans)
11. Aquaplanage - The Sands of Time (Aquaplanage)
12. Gazpacho - Tick Tock Part III (Tick Tock)
I think the CD is better than Prognosis 1. The magazine is also an improvement. I hope this continues to be the case. It is shaping up to be a brilliant publication. The next issue is out 5th August and will largely be devoted to the genre of Prog Metal. |
And I thought they couldn't do any worse. If this is prog, I'm not a fan of the genre anymore.
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I havent heard many of those bands
I wonder if they are available here on progarchives. How is the mag defining prog. They feature bands that are not really prog at all I noticed. I still love the fact that at last we have a prog magazine or you would have to put up with bands that you would never want to know about. I am looking fwd to getting the CD - hardly know any of this music on Prognosis2. Dream Theater and IQ is the exception of course.
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Rocktopus
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Posted: July 08 2009 at 17:53 |
Green Shield Stamp wrote:
Track Listing for second CD (Prognosis 2):
1. Dream Theater - A Rite of Passage (Black Clouds..)
2. Touchstone - Strange Days (Wintercoast)
3. Also Eden - Skimming Stones (It's Kind of You to Ask)
4. Astra - The River Under (The Weirding)
5. Pictorial Wand - Face Our Fathers (Face Our Fathers)
6. Agah Bahari - Revolving Universe (The Second Sight of Mind)
7. Haken - Black Seed (Demo album)
8. The Treat - Anger Management (Audio Verite)
9. IQ - Ryker Skies (Frequency)
10. Sine Star Project - Chinese Drag Queen (Building Humans)
11. Aquaplanage - The Sands of Time (Aquaplanage)
12. Gazpacho - Tick Tock Part III (Tick Tock)
I think the CD is better than Prognosis 1. The magazine is also an improvement. I hope this continues to be the case. It is shaping up to be a brilliant publication. The next issue is out 5th August and will largely be devoted to the genre of Prog Metal. |
And I thought they couldn't do any worse. If this is prog, I'm not a fan of the genre anymore.
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Takeshi Kovacs
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Posted: July 08 2009 at 16:19 |
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I think I might have caught the back end of Haken when they supported Riverside when they were in London a couple of years ago.
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 Open the gates of the city wide....
Check out my music taste: http://www.last.fm/user/TakeshiKovacs/
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Green Shield Stamp
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Posted: July 02 2009 at 10:50 |
Track Listing for second CD (Prognosis 2):
1. Dream Theater - A Rite of Passage (Black Clouds..)
2. Touchstone - Strange Days (Wintercoast)
3. Also Eden - Skimming Stones (It's Kind of You to Ask)
4. Astra - The River Under (The Weirding)
5. Pictorial Wand - Face Our Fathers (Face Our Fathers)
6. Agah Bahari - Revolving Universe (The Second Sight of Mind)
7. Haken - Black Seed (Demo album)
8. The Treat - Anger Management (Audio Verite)
9. IQ - Ryker Skies (Frequency)
10. Sine Star Project - Chinese Drag Queen (Building Humans)
11. Aquaplanage - The Sands of Time (Aquaplanage)
12. Gazpacho - Tick Tock Part III (Tick Tock)
I think the CD is better than Prognosis 1. The magazine is also an improvement. I hope this continues to be the case. It is shaping up to be a brilliant publication. The next issue is out 5th August and will largely be devoted to the genre of Prog Metal.
Edited by Green Shield Stamp - July 02 2009 at 10:52
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Haiku
Writing a poem
With seventeen syllables
Is very diffic....
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: July 01 2009 at 23:47 |
Sean Trane wrote:
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Welll, I thought the second issue a bit better than the first, although the Cd downright stunk this time (the first one's second half had proved interesting)
But they can't help themselves putting a smirk when describing Magma or any other non-English or American group. Even the Kraut-rock scene erview is done qiuickly and dealt awaz with >> as if, CR is saying: "OK, we did it, let's move on quickly to something WE like"
But losing a maximum amount of space on third ratre UK bands.seems to be a credo.
on the whole, I'm not happily surprised, but I'm not cruelly deceived . It's about what I expected from , but then again I didn't expect much. But I'd rather pick this PROG mag , than the mother mag Classy Crock (which I've bought twice in the last year).
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What were the tracks on the issue 2 CD? I hope they didn't muck it up after such a promising start. I just ordered the issue yesterday. Was the article on VDGG great? What else was in the mag? |
The second D is not worth it compared tothe first, which was interesting in the second half.
VdGG: just like for Magma and the Krautrock article, you'll not quench yourthirst with the "scratching the surface" of the mag
it won't teach you much unless you're a newcommer tio the band. |
thx for that Sean
Oh well, my copy has been ordered. I mean its the only prog mag I have access to in Australia. And I look fwd to seeing what else the mag can offer over the next issues. The CD is at least introducing prog I likely would not hear otherwise. i was introduced to Diagonal, Devin Townsend and Panic Room thru mags so thats something.
Hopefully a list of CD tracks will go up on progarchives soon. I listened to Epica and After Forever recently and was really taken aback at the complexity and beauty of the music. I am always on the lookout for new prog that challenges the listener and is absolutely innovative.
I heard some Sunn O))) recently and have no idea how to comment on them - I dont even know if they are prog yet the mag put them in that category along with other non-prog.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: June 19 2009 at 17:51 |
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Welll, I thought the second issue a bit better than the first, although the Cd downright stunk this time (the first one's second half had proved interesting)
But they can't help themselves putting a smirk when describing Magma or any other non-English or American group. Even the Kraut-rock scene erview is done qiuickly and dealt awaz with >> as if, CR is saying: "OK, we did it, let's move on quickly to something WE like"
But losing a maximum amount of space on third ratre UK bands.seems to be a credo.
on the whole, I'm not happily surprised, but I'm not cruelly deceived . It's about what I expected from , but then again I didn't expect much. But I'd rather pick this PROG mag , than the mother mag Classy Crock (which I've bought twice in the last year).
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What were the tracks on the issue 2 CD? I hope they didn't muck it up after such a promising start. I just ordered the issue yesterday. Was the article on VDGG great? What else was in the mag? |
The second D is not worth it compared tothe first, which was interesting in the second half.
VdGG: just like for Magma and the Krautrock article, you'll not quench yourthirst with the "scratching the surface" of the mag
it won't teach you much unless you're a newcommer tio the band.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: June 18 2009 at 19:45 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Welll, I thought the second issue a bit better than the first, although the Cd downright stunk this time (the first one's second half had proved interesting)
But they can't help themselves putting a smirk when describing Magma or any other non-English or American group. Even the Kraut-rock scene erview is done qiuickly and dealt awaz with >> as if, CR is saying: "OK, we did it, let's move on quickly to something WE like"
But losing a maximum amount of space on third ratre UK bands.seems to be a credo.
on the whole, I'm not happily surprised, but I'm not cruelly deceived . It's about what I expected from , but then again I didn't expect much. But I'd rather pick this PROG mag , than the mother mag Classy Crock (which I've bought twice in the last year).
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What were the tracks on the issue 2 CD? I hope they didn't muck it up after such a promising start. I just ordered the issue yesterday. Was the article on VDGG great? What else was in the mag?
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Perfect Survivor
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Posted: June 18 2009 at 18:23 |
I think I might go "relieve" my dad of his copy! 
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Sean Trane
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Posted: June 16 2009 at 09:14 |
Welll, I thought the second issue a bit better than the first, although the Cd downright stunk this time (the first one's second half had proved interesting)
But they can't help themselves putting a smirk when describing Magma or any other non-English or American group. Even the Kraut-rock scene erview is done qiuickly and dealt awaz with >> as if, CR is saying: "OK, we did it, let's move on quickly to something WE like"
But losing a maximum amount of space on third ratre UK bands.seems to be a credo.
on the whole, I'm not happily surprised, but I'm not cruelly deceived . It's about what I expected from , but then again I didn't expect much. But I'd rather pick this PROG mag , than the mother mag Classy Crock (which I've bought twice in the last year).
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: June 15 2009 at 19:35 |
I loved the magazine as it featured old and new prog from Yes, Rush and Genesis to The Reasoning. The CD waS EXCELLENT ESPECIALLY dIAGONAL, tHE trEAT AND sPACED oUT. oops 
the article here says it all:
I did not like all the reviews esp the review for Century of Self by .... Trail of Dead band was overblown as the album is not that good IMHO. But the reviews on Magma and I of I were great. Like hearing about Benoit with Yes and Wakemans new projects. The Rush interview was amusing with Peart. Of course its only a start and not a bad debut for a prog based mag. At last we have something worth buying on the stands. I could spend hundreds trying to find all those articles and here they were in one magazine! I was impressed. The Pink Floyd articles were all excellent and I loved the sleeve and appearance of the mag.
I would definitely recommend it over a lot of the dross on the newstand. At least it focuses on the one genre and at least it informs prog fans of the new and old. I discovered prog (the term and many bands) through a magazine so this mag may inspire others to jump on board the bandwagon. I am looking fwd to issue 2 soon as it features Mars Volta, Muse and Van der Graaf Generator among others.
So stop being so negative and enjoy the mag for what it is. An introduction to new prog and a look at the old eclectic prog. That should not be a negative thing.
Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - June 16 2009 at 19:10
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paulwalker71
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Posted: June 14 2009 at 06:57 |
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I picked up Issue 2 in my local WH Smiths.
Yes, it is a bit expensive for what it is - I didn't realise it was £7.99 until I got to the till, and perhaps would have thought twice if I had. But, that said, I'm really enjoying the read. Its packed with stuff, and the quality of the writing and the articles is high.
I could have done without the CD, and had it at, say, £5.99, but I'm not going to quibble because I suspect a lot of people who pick this up will not be people who listen to songs on this site (or others) and if it helps to attract others to some great music, then I'm cool with forking out a couple of quid extra.
To be honest, I'm a bit disappointed with some of the attitudes on this thread - people saying they won't buy it and stuff, before they've even read a single issue! The idea that prog would have had its own glossy mag in mainstream stores was totally unthinkable even a couple of years ago! I think it deserves our support. There are hints in issue 2 that it might get built up into something more frequent - bimonthly perhaps. I'd hate it if the lack of support from prog fans was the reason that didn't happen
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crimhead
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Posted: June 13 2009 at 13:16 |
inrainbows wrote:
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Free but it's still expensive .
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It takes a lot of money to get that glossy paper and magazine to your local book store. I think they should offer 2 versions(1 with CD and 1 without) and allow you to download the music if you wish.
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inrainbows
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Posted: May 29 2009 at 15:47 |
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Free but it's still expensive .
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crimhead
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Posted: May 29 2009 at 13:36 |
Bob Greece wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Rocktopus wrote:
I'm not gonna pay 23 euros(!!) to read about what seems to be mainly the prog I don't like.
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Likewise, except I don't want to pay $16 for someone to tell me things I already know. (There were tensions between Fish and the rest of Marillion! STOP THE PRESSES!!!)
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It's 19 Euros in Greece. I think it's great that they are putting in the effort to do a magazine about prog but 19 Euros is a lot of money for a magazine even with a CD included. |
But "It's a FREE CD"! 
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Bob Greece
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Posted: May 29 2009 at 04:37 |
stonebeard wrote:
Rocktopus wrote:
I'm not gonna pay 23 euros(!!) to read about what seems to be mainly the prog I don't like.
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Likewise, except I don't want to pay $16 for someone to tell me things I already know. (There were tensions between Fish and the rest of Marillion! STOP THE PRESSES!!!)
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It's 19 Euros in Greece. I think it's great that they are putting in the effort to do a magazine about prog but 19 Euros is a lot of money for a magazine even with a CD included.
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stonebeard
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 16:19 |
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OK, I bought it. :P
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Padraic
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 08:58 |
Freaking awesome 
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