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Points: 31169 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2009 at 15:19
Right, so I would still like Laswell's most representative solo avant-prog output.  That is what is required for evaluation.  Bands he was in need to be eval'd on a case by case basis.
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Right, so I would still like Laswell's most representative solo avant-prog output.  That is what is required for evaluation.  Bands he was in need to be eval'd on a case by case basis.
 
I suppose Laswell's 2006 release Episome with Japanese giants Otomo Yoshihide of Ground Zero & Tatsuya Yoshida of Ruins would be a good starting place.
 


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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Right, so I would still like Laswell's most representative solo avant-prog output.  That is what is required for evaluation.  Bands he was in need to be eval'd on a case by case basis.


...not trying to rabble-rouse or anything, but I'm just curious as to why this same measure hasn't been taken with John Zorn & his related projects such as Naked City, Painkiller, & Masada...


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Points: 10680 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 20 2009 at 18:27
^ Sounds like someone needs to do a little house cleaning on the Zorn discography, including making some extra band entries for some of the records etc.
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

^ Sounds like someone needs to do a little house cleaning on the Zorn discography, including making some extra band entries for some of the records etc.
 
I'll make an effort to prepare a bio for the more dubious lisings in his discog.
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Points: 10841 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2009 at 09:09
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

^ Sounds like someone needs to do a little house cleaning on the Zorn discography, including making some extra band entries for some of the records etc.


After all, maybe Naked City and Painkiller should have their own entries?
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One of our local secondhand record shops filed a big section of Laswell's recordings under 'Dance' or 'Turntablism' - the latter tag will be a first hereBig smile.
 
 
Anybody mentioned the excellent and fascinating job he did marrying Johnny 'Rotten' Lyden with Steve Vai, Ginger Baker, Tony Williams etal. on PIL's Compact - the epitomy of 80's progressive music. Also curious about the amount of reciprocation between Laswell and Jonas Hellborg (also on one track of Compact) at the end of the 80's? BTW does one of those 80's Material albums have both Jaco Pastorius and Paul Butterfield together on perhaps their last recordings?
 
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Jaco Pastorius with Material? I doubt this, but I will check this anyway.
About P.I.L.'s "Compact" (or "Album", or "Cassette" - depends on the format!), I wonder if it hadn't some bad reviews for a long time. Bad reviews in a "weird" way: it seems that people complain about the professionalism of this record!
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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

One of our local secondhand record shops filed a big section of Laswell's recordings under 'Dance' or 'Turntablism' - the latter tag will be a first hereBig smile.
 

Now why don't we have a Turntablism sub on this site? LOL

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:


About P.I.L.'s "Compact" (or "Album", or "Cassette" - depends on the format!), I wonder if it hadn't some bad reviews for a long time. Bad reviews in a "weird" way: it seems that people complain about the professionalism of this record!

Thanks again to Dick-eh for enticing-eh me-eh to try-eh that album-eh.  Diggydiggydiggydiggydiggydiggy...


Edited by Slartibartfast - July 23 2009 at 11:34
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Jaco Pastorius with Material? I doubt this, but I will check this anyway.
 
The print on the insert for the CD is so small you need a magnifiying glass to read details of the line-up, however, the web provides (see track 4 listing below) and shows my memory ain't that faulty:

DEADLINE

DOWN BY LAW

  1/  Afro Beat                                  (Dibango,Wilson,Laswell)      6.31
  2/  Boat Peoples                               (Dibango,Turre,Wilson)        7.03
  3/  Baliphone Dub                              (Wilson)                      4.24
  4/  Makossa Rock                               (Dibango,Wilson,Laswell)      11.06
  5/  Gammatron                                  (Wilson,Laswell)              5.22
  6/  Doo Root                                   (Wilson)                      3.44

          Recorded at Evergreen Studio
          Produced by Bill Laswell and Phillip Wilson for Material/OAO
Manu Dibango : tenor saxophone (1,2,4), voice (1,2); Bernie Worrell: synthesizer (1,2,4); Aiyb Dieng : congas (1,2), cowbell (1,2), talking drums (4); Phillip Wilson : cymbals (1,4), DMX (1,2,3,4,5), percussion (2), baliphone (3,4,6), bells (3), bass synthesizer (4), metals (5), kalimba (5), drums (5), processed piano (6), water tube (6), floor toms (6), congas (6), plastic hammers (6), cabasa (6); Bill Laswell : bass (1), DMX (1,2,3,4,5), AMS (2,4), shortwave (3); Steve Turre : conch shells (2,6), didjeridoo (2,4,6); Olu Dara : cornet (2,4), wood trumpet (2,4); Jonas Hellborg : bass (3,5), fuzz bass (3); Rob Stevens : processed piano (3), electric piano (6); Paul Butterfield : harmonica (4); Jaco Pastorius : bass (4); Robert Musso : processing (4). 

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Points: 31169 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2009 at 08:48
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

^ Sounds like someone needs to do a little house cleaning on the Zorn discography, including making some extra band entries for some of the records etc.


After all, maybe Naked City and Painkiller should have their own entries?


I think we're going to go down this road.  My knowledge of Zorn is next to nothing but this just seems to make sense.
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Points: 10680 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2009 at 09:06
^ they should be seperate entries, as far as I know all of Fripp's various projects have their own entry, no stress, just get it when you can.
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Points: 31169 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2009 at 09:22
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

^ they should be seperate entries, as far as I know all of Fripp's various projects have their own entry, no stress, just get it when you can.


Thanks, yes obviously we will need to enlist the help of admin on this.

Capt. Capricorn has prepared a bio for Painkiller - we might be able to proceed with that, check ZART thread.
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

My knowledge of Zorn is next to nothing but this just seems to make sense.
 
I know a fair amount about the man & more about his music ...he was my first real exposure to avant-garde. I'll continue to work our bios for his related projects unless there are any objections from admin or the rest of the ZART team.


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So were would two avant-garde/grindcore projects fit here on PA?

You are not allowed to say Eclectic. LOLWink
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Thanks alot Danial and Patrick, just let me know by PM when you want me to add a band and I'll put down this bottle, stumble over to the computer, step on my glasses and curse ... and then add them

P.S. I guess these bands go in avant? If one of these projects seems to have no fit with PA, let it go, no big deal.
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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

So were would two avant-garde/grindcore projects fit here on PA?

You are not allowed to say Eclectic. LOLWink


Art Rock.  Wink

Are these Laswell projects?  I don't know to what you're referring.
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Points: 1085 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2009 at 10:18
...I am of the opinion that all of Zorn's related projects fit pretty snug in RIO/Avant
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New guy here...HUGE Laswell fan (that's my discography that's being referenced)....I don't remember the exact scenario with Jaco, but he somehow wandered in during the session and Laswell caught him on tape. Not really a planned edition to the Deadline album.
 
PiL I find gets generally good reviews. Interesting in that people seem to have more respect for it when they know who played on it, though at the time Bill apparently purposely wanted all the players names left off.
 
Supposedly (from John Lydons lips) Miles also did some playing for the album, but for some reason it was not included in the final mix.
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Is the intent to have seperate entries for what might be considered 'significant' projects? If so, I would say both of them fit that catagory. In the pantheon of Zorn releases - though maybe overall they are Zorn initiated and Zorn-helmed - the breadth of the work of each project and the players in each (all with their own formidible careers) certainly makes them significant I think...
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