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Mr ProgFreak 
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 Posted: June 27 2009 at 01:44 |
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Guilty or not (and I'm afraid he probably was because of the fact that over 90% of accused are, proven data from people who study abusive relationships) the man was a very troubled human being with a distorted sense of reality.
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That's not really how the justice system is supposed to work ... but unfortunately many people think like you do ("so he was found to be not guilty? Well, he's probably guilty anyhow, because otherwise why would he have been charged with the crime?").
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Green Shield Stamp
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Posted: June 27 2009 at 07:00 |
Originally posted by Mickey
"If was guilty.. no amount of fame would have got him off. Sounded like extortion for me. Michael made some bad choices.... he was Jacko....sleeping with young kids is wacked out... but is not illegal. He never was more than a grown up child. If it had been more.....had been sexual... he would have rotted in a cell.
To hell with name or money"
I think that the $20,000,000 out of court settlement may have had greater influence than you suggest!
Edited by Green Shield Stamp - June 27 2009 at 07:06
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memowakeman
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Posted: June 27 2009 at 10:04 |
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I used to like his style when i was a kid, nowadays i don't care about his music, but anyway, sad news indeed.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: June 27 2009 at 14:07 |
The paradox is that if he died of OD by Demerol as it seems. probably would be alive if he was declared guilty, because the correctional system wouldn't had allowed all those injections.
So if he was guilty (something nobody will ever know), the price he paid for his freedom was too expensive.
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Matthew T
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Posted: June 27 2009 at 17:54 |
Check our the Saudi Tribute on You Tube...........Smooth Criminal 
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Matthew T
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Evolver
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Posted: June 27 2009 at 19:53 |
Michael didn't die.
He just went home.
Now look right here.
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 27 2009 at 22:47 |
He was the first Western artist to register in my childhood consciousness, his rise coincided with Russia-like state controlled television programming finally going away and MTV invading India. But since my parents were never into Western music, I never followed up on his songs all these years and doesn't look like I am interested in it right now either. Maybe sometime in the distant future, who knows. Have to say though from looking at the videos going around on TV that he was a much better dancer than I had given him credit for all these years, I knew he was good, but man, he was marvellous!  Too bad I don't relate to dancing and also can't relate to his music; nevertheless, a monumental pop icon is gone. Rest In Peace.
I sort of see Ivan's point about a celebrity's death being no more important than that of the average Joe but I am not sure I would feel the same way if one of my favourite musicians passed away because I felt very sad when Rick Wright passed away last year, for instance (and listening to Great Gig...acquired a new colour ever since) and a lot of people here would agree. And I agree with Henry Plainview. I feel sad that his life was so screwed up. It doesn't matter if he brought it on himself and if he was asking for it on account on his popularity, nobody deserves that kind of life. And of course, it came completely out of the blue, I went,"What!! Really??" when I heard about it, to reprise the cliche.
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Posted: June 28 2009 at 13:59 |
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I felt less struck by the death of Michael Jackson than I did when Richard Wright died last September, even though the latter was more than fourteen years older when he died. I have never been a fan of MJ, though I have to admit that he had great talents. Nevertheless, it is sad news, no matter whether the charges against him were true or false.
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Posted: June 28 2009 at 15:43 |
rogerthat wrote:
I sort of see Ivan's point about a celebrity's death being no more important than that of the average Joe but I am not sure I would feel the same way if one of my favourite musicians passed away because I felt very sad when Rick Wright passed away last year, for instance (and listening to Great Gig...acquired a new colour ever since) and a lot of people here would agree. |
Please, I don't want to add wood to the fire, there are obvious differences between Michael Jackson and Rick Wright that I won't mention, but anyway, it's logical to feel sad when somebody who has played musivc you loved die, specially when this person was a gentleman.
As a fact I felt sad for the dead of Rick, even when didn't mouned, but would lie if I didn't said that his departure affected me much more.
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Posted: June 28 2009 at 21:18 |
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Sorry to be so un-prog in this case but I felt MJ's departure more than Rick Wright's... I loved PF music much more than MJ's, but the latter had much more impact in my surroundings than the former and I grew up surrounded by MJ. I didn't know who Rick wright was until I dig into PF...
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OzzProg
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Posted: June 28 2009 at 21:23 |
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He is faking his death, so he can for real COME BACK TO LIFE for his Thriller tour.
(This was probably mentioned somewhere with me missing it on the previous 6 pages. If so, smite me)
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 03:03 |
No way could he still be alive.
Even if he had arrived at the hospital in time, the resuscitation would have split him open in about 200 different places
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 03:09 |
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Gianthogweed
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 03:27 |
The T wrote:
Sorry to be so un-prog in this case but I felt MJ's departure more than Rick Wright's... I loved PF music much more than MJ's, but the latter had much more impact in my surroundings than the former and I grew up surrounded by MJ. I didn't know who Rick wright was until I dig into PF... |
Rick Wright's death affected me more. As much as I liked MJ as a kid, I felt he had been dead for a long time. There was a chance he could make a comeback, but just too much bad stuff had happened to him, and he had done too many bad things for me to really get past all that. Listening to his music actually wasn't the same anymore knowing what he had become. Things were kind of looking up for him with the whole Jackson 5 reunion, but part of me knew that it wasn't going to happen. I dont' know why, I just knew something was going to cancel it. I wasn't expecting this though. The good thing about his death is that it's no longer so uncomfortable to play his music anymore. This is probably why you're hearing so much of it now. It's also kind of strange actually.
When Rick Wright died though it was a much bigger blow to me. Rick had just come off the tour with Gilmour and I had just gotten the Royal Albert Hall DVD. He looked so happy, the band sounded better than ever, everything was looking up. They had done the live 8 reunion and it seemed like a full out Floyd reunion could really happen. Then Rick died. I didn't know he had cancer and I was shocked. It really bummed me out. In fact, I was just as sad as when I found out George Harrison died.
It just makes me, all the more, want my favorite bands to reunite before it's too late. Genesis, get with Gabriel and Hackett. Moody Blues, reconcile with Pinder and get Ray Thomas out of retirement. Renaissance, reconcile with Jon Camp and get it together again. Just one more album and tour.
Edited by Gianthogweed - June 29 2009 at 03:36
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 03:33 |
OzzProg wrote:
He is faking his death, so he can for real COME BACK TO LIFE for his Thriller tour.
(This was probably mentioned somewhere with me missing it on the previous 6 pages. If so, smite me)
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Apparently true: after Thriller, he seemed increasingly undead to me. The last few years he gave me the creeps when I saw him on TV.
By the way, The Return of the King, part III of the Lord of the Rings-trilogy, opens with Sméagol turning into Gollum. In a short moment, he showed a striking resemblance with Michael Jackson.
Edited by someone_else - June 29 2009 at 03:34
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 07:07 |
OzzProg wrote:
He is faking his death, so he can for real COME BACK TO LIFE for his Thriller tour.
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Elvis can come back and play guitar with him. Thank you. Thank you very much.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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CPicard
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 08:36 |
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7 pages?
Nice.
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OzzProg
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 11:41 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
OzzProg wrote:
He is faking his death, so he can for real COME BACK TO LIFE for his Thriller tour.
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Elvis can come back and play guitar with him. Thank you. Thank you very much.
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Actually I heard all the characters on the front cover of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band will be collaborating for this mega-uber-epic tour (oh, and Jim Morrison will be there too)
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 29 2009 at 12:56 |
The T wrote:
Sorry to be so un-prog in this case but I felt MJ's departure more than Rick Wright's... I loved PF music much more than MJ's, but the latter had much more impact in my surroundings than the former and I grew up surrounded by MJ. I didn't know who Rick wright was until I dig into PF... |
It's not about prog or unprog, Teo, I was only talking about how the demise of artists close to one's heart can have an effect on you. For that matter, the one man's whose demise I would grieve more than anybody else's is an Indian light music composer and a genius, thankfully he's still alive...I don't know, I would probably sulk and starve for a day or two when it will happens, as it must.  His name, just for information's sake, is Ilayaraja.
That said, I too came to know about PF much much later than MJ but in my case, PF and particularly Wright are much closer to my heart and it especially hurts when an artist eloquently expresses his feelings about death as did Wright...it haunts you later when he's dead, at least it did to me.
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